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I agree with what my compadre Captain Stu suggested earlier: If we'd asked Kenny to stay on one season more and set it up with Guardiola that he joins the following season, he might, I repeat might have been interested in that. I think as a club, and as a project we are something along the lines of what he will be looking for.
Asking him to manage this season was always a non-starter though.
Have to say, we really are becoming the joke club in this league. Taken Newcastle's title there.
How many more managers are going to come out claiming they have turned us down?
this is partially because the fans meltdown at the drop of a tiny hat. sometimes it's justified sure, but if there's one thing the fans at this club do well it's self-important outrage.
My worry is two fold #
1) his managerial ability at a top club never tested
2) if we get him it willl show our ambition and will probably be backed up with a 10-20million transfer fund.
i was thinking the exact same thing.....if Martinez was signed, then we'd probably end up with a few of his signings in place until the DoF got his feet under the table and took over all player recruitment.
Martinez's signings could be Diame (free transfer out of contract), Moses (tribunal fee of maybe 3 or 4 million), Rodallega (free transfer out of contract) and maybe someone like McCarthy as well (who i actually wouldn't mind at all to be honest - he'd probably give Dave Whelan 10m for him)
I know we wont but let's say for arguments sake we really did appoint a Pep Guardiola, Mourinho, Ancelotti and maybe even Rafa to a lesser extent, then they would want big money to build their own team.
Even if we gave Guardiola £150m to spend and he built a team that pissed the league. Then he'd want another 50-70m next season to go for the CL. And the same again the year later to keep evolving.....like he did with Fabregas and Alexi last year - even though they already had the best fockin team around!!!
I reckon FSG want a manager that is essentially a coach. The DoF will essentially purchase the players. The coach is going to need to be a yes-man that is happy to work under this situation. Obviously the relationship between the DoF and the coach will need to be very good and also Martinez will have some input into the purchasing of players (probably the identification of what is required - ie: We need a right midfielder) but in reality, it's never going to work long term.
Why? Well lets say it's Robbie Martinez that becomes our next coach. If he does badly, then he will be out on his ear anyway. However, if he does really well, then eventually he will want to test himself where he has total control of the football club. Where he picks the players to buy. Where he will be the number one man.....
In reality, i reckon Kenny didn't get sacked. I reckon this structure was put to him and he told them to get focked. Otherwise, the owners would:
1. Have sacked him when they were over for the cup final
2. Have had someone lined up - or at least someone in mind.
I also think this structure will rule Rafa out. He would be the ideal candidate to be honest but if the director of football got a signing or two wrong (Robbie Keane-esc) then it would end in tears pretty quickly. This is one of the reasons that Rafa left Valencia to come to us - remember he asked for a table and they brought him a lamp!!! My only hope would be that Segura got the role and the structure was really good and Rafa wanted it so badly that he agreed to get on with things.....
To be honest, I wouldn't be 100% surprised if Martinez had a detailed look at it and turned it down as well.....
why on earth do we think that martinez is going to fill the squad with relegation survivors for small money instead of spending our resources on the sort of players he's always dreamed of having?
Originally posted by little dave hedgehogView Post
this is partially because the fans meltdown at the drop of a tiny hat. sometimes it's justified sure, but if there's one thing the fans at this club do well it's self-important outrage.
Originally posted by little dave hedgehogView Post
why on earth do we think that martinez is going to fill the squad with relegation survivors for small money instead of spending our resources on the sort of players he's always dreamed of having?
who has he dreamed of having??? Torres??? Alonso??? Mascherano??? You think any of the likes of these guys will come to LFC with Martinez in charge?? He name won't be big enough to attract players like Llorente, Falcao etc.... he will have to get LFC back into the top 4 with other players first.....
I actually hope we end up with Martinez next season................Javi Martinez - with Rafa as manager!!!
I agree with what my compadre Captain Stu suggested earlier: If we'd asked Kenny to stay on one season more and set it up with Guardiola that he joins the following season, he might, I repeat might have been interested in that. I think as a club, and as a project we are something along the lines of what he will be looking for.
Asking him to manage this season was always a non-starter though.
Pep wants a year off.Simple as that.
He has already said that after the year off he wants to work in England or Italy and not necessarily at a top club.
Originally posted by little dave hedgehogView Post
why on earth do we think that martinez is going to fill the squad with relegation survivors for small money instead of spending our resources on the sort of players he's always dreamed of having?
Aye. There is absolutely no reason to think that whoever the manager is that he'll be given any less money than if Jose was the chosen one.
FSG sacked Kenny as they want results and CL spot at least next year and they will not get there by buying Diame, Moses of this world etc
We will spend money I have no doubt about that at all.
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