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  • Daniel 7
    Heretic
    • Mar 2008
    • 24088

    #3676
    Bargaining ploy

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    • Kenneth
      Pond Scum
      • May 2007
      • 65633

      #3677
      Originally posted by made up nonsense from the Independent
      But Liverpool now appear to have decided that the 34-year-old is not a candidate
      Stinking pile of horse **** article.
      Trey Nyoni: countdown to stardom- 2 years 1year 0.5 years

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      • TheElephantMan
        Hodgsoned
        • Jul 2006
        • 9076

        #3678
        I keep changing my mind (not breeding reptiles and all that) - I thought AVB might be a good option, but the more I hear about him the less impressed I am. I actually think that he's a much bigger risk than any of the other candidates who have been linked to the job. Rafa is without doubt the obvious choice, if the owners are hoping to compete for CL places again then Benitez is clearly the man most likely to achieve that aim. Martinez is a good manager and a good man, in my opinion he ticks lots of boxes and I haven't heard a particularly convincing argument for any other realistic potential manager.

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        • Kenneth
          Pond Scum
          • May 2007
          • 65633

          #3679
          Rodgers it is then.
          Trey Nyoni: countdown to stardom- 2 years 1year 0.5 years

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          • Gibbo
            Like a boss
            • Jul 2010
            • 26212

            #3680
            Originally posted by Kenneth
            Rodgers it is then.
            The times they are a changin'.

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            • baitman
              Dad's Cabs
              • Sep 2011
              • 27735

              #3681
              Originally posted by TheElephantMan
              I keep changing my mind (not breeding reptiles and all that) -
              eh
              removing all the weak links makes us stronger

              too many gutless players, no beef or desire. pussies everywhere... sack them all.

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              • topscorer
                Dalglish
                • Sep 2006
                • 2874

                #3682
                Originally posted by vonk
                We are a mid table team at the moment, the table doesn't lie. We may be able to get there in the future, but it's going to take time and money. We are not going to get a big time manager at this point and people should get used to the idea of a young manager like Martinez and a considerable rebuilding job. Getting on the managers back after a series of losses is a bad move. We can't demand instant success, it's not realistic. I can see the Rafapologists giving the new man about 6 months before they are on his back demanding Rafa be reinstated. That's just wrong.
                You are out of your mind if you think we are a mid table club. We are one of the richest clubs in the world making record sponsorship and shirt deals with one of the biggest supporter bases in the world and rich owners that are ambitious.

                OK they might not be Sheikhs but they have money and the club can generate sufficient funds without debt interest payments to make.

                We are a big club that have had 2 'bad' seasons. Hell we only won one cup this season and played some great football at times what a mess!

                That doesn't mean we can get some top manager but it's not because we are a mid table club if we hire someone like Martinez.

                It's partly down to timing (not many top Managers available), younger Managers that have been very successful are all in the middle of projects with clubs they feel committed to and Rafa won't be picked because they've tried going back in time once already with Kenny.

                If we hire someone like Martinez it will be because based on the Managers that are currently available he best fits the strategic direction they want to take so they CHOOSE to hire him.

                Anyone that says its because he's the best we could attract is wrong.

                I'm no saying I agree with the owners, but they haven't even revealed what their strategy is yet so I don't know how anyone can agree or disagree with it yet.

                What I do know is that the owners tried out the plan us fans wanted and hired Kenny and it didn't work out the way they wanted so I think they are entitled to try it out their way this time and we need to support them and hope they get it right.

                But they aren't looking at people like Martinez because we are a mid table club and he's the only one interested. That's a ridiculous thing to think.

                I'm 100% certain that if we wanted someone like Capello we could get him, maybe even if Chelsea wanted him too.

                But we don't want him because he doesn't fit into the profile the owners want.

                Anyway, because of what I think the strategy is, I'm more interested in the Director of Football appointment to be honest. I think that appointment is going to be much more important than the Manager one.

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                • Nicey
                  Paisley
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 21028

                  #3683
                  Originally posted by topscorer
                  You are out of your mind if you think we are a mid table club. We are one of the richest clubs in the world making record sponsorship and shirt deals with one of the biggest supporter bases in the world and rich owners that are ambitious.

                  OK they might not be Sheikhs but they have money and the club can generate sufficient funds without debt interest payments to make.

                  We are a big club that have had 2 'bad' seasons. Hell we only won one cup this season and played some great football at times what a mess!

                  That doesn't mean we can get some top manager but it's not because we are a mid table club if we hire someone like Martinez.

                  It's partly down to timing (not many top Managers available), younger Managers that have been very successful are all in the middle of projects with clubs they feel committed to and Rafa won't be picked because they've tried going back in time once already with Kenny.

                  If we hire someone like Martinez it will be because based on the Managers that are currently available he best fits the strategic direction they want to take so they CHOOSE to hire him.

                  Anyone that says its because he's the best we could attract is wrong.

                  I'm no saying I agree with the owners, but they haven't even revealed what their strategy is yet so I don't know how anyone can agree or disagree with it yet.

                  What I do know is that the owners tried out the plan us fans wanted and hired Kenny and it didn't work out the way they wanted so I think they are entitled to try it out their way this time and we need to support them and hope they get it right.

                  But they aren't looking at people like Martinez because we are a mid table club and he's the only one interested. That's a ridiculous thing to think.

                  I'm 100% certain that if we wanted someone like Capello we could get him, maybe even if Chelsea wanted him too.

                  But we don't want him because he doesn't fit into the profile the owners want.

                  Anyway, because of what I think the strategy is, I'm more interested in the Director of Football appointment to be honest. I think that appointment is going to be much more important than the Manager one.
                  Spot on

                  Its time we moved on in every sense and it looks like FSG are doing that. We have money, We have a global fan base, We have a lean operating set up, We are still a massive club and we are no officially one on a real modernization. Make no bones about it, FSG want CL football and the Lg title just as much as us, if not more because its there money in play. These are smart people with a proven track record.

                  I am quietly confident come the end of the summer all the pieces will be in place, so we can all enjoy a real rebuilding adventure.
                  Anybody who criticizes Klopp ever is a James Blunt. Nov 2015
                  #****CITY

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                  • vonk
                    Fagan
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 1406

                    #3684
                    My point is that we are a mid table team at this moment on the pitch. We don't know if we have the funds, none of that has been shown yet. We have problems attacting the top players because of CL and I think the same applies to the top managers in the world. I'm not saying we can't get back there with the right investment and time. We will have to accept Martinez or AVB or Laudrup or whoever. They are not perfect but we need to accept that this will be a long term project, not an immediate top 4 next season project. All of us fans need to have patience with the owners and the new man, whoever he is. It might take this project a few seasons to show results.

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                    • Norbs
                      Big Girl's Blouse
                      • Jun 2007
                      • 42637

                      #3685
                      Originally posted by Daniel 7
                      Bargaining ploy


                      I'd want more money to shovel **** than to polish a model's arse all day. Fact

                      Our owners are going to have to accept that the further up the food chain they go, the more they are going to have to shell out, disproportionately so too

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                      • GEOFFAR2002
                        Souness
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 58

                        #3686
                        Originally posted by vonk
                        My point is that we are a mid table team at this moment on the pitch. We don't know if we have the funds, none of that has been shown yet. We have problems attacting the top players because of CL and I think the same applies to the top managers in the world. I'm not saying we can't get back there with the right investment and time. We will have to accept Martinez or AVB or Laudrup or whoever. They are not perfect but we need to accept that this will be a long term project, not an immediate top 4 next season project. All of us fans need to have patience with the owners and the new man, whoever he is. It might take this project a few seasons to show results.
                        Probably right, so hopefully they will make a decision and get on with it. Thing is, will FSG have the patience? I thought we were at the start a 3 year plan last year?

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                        • Norbs
                          Big Girl's Blouse
                          • Jun 2007
                          • 42637

                          #3687
                          Originally posted by topscorer
                          It's partly down to timing (not many top Managers available)
                          Does this not lead you to think that the timing of the sacking was a bit of a **** up then?

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                          • Fredo
                            Not to be taken seriously
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 35173

                            #3688
                            We may still be without a manager in 2 years if the process is going to be as lengthy as the stadium plans.
                            Are we winning?

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                            • little dave hedgehog
                              Token Yank
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 29963

                              #3689
                              :yawn:
                              dave of mutilation

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                              • npinn001
                                Benitez
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 722

                                #3690
                                IMO it will be Rodgers. Just have a feeling...

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