New manager thread

[Vermilion]

think thats jumping to a huge conclusion and also pretty depressing

Also wouldn't it have been better to exhaust all other possibilities first if they think Martinez is one they expect they could get?

We are not even 2 weeks into this, with 1 interview down.

Chill out

Me chill out. ? I'm giving my opinion ffs.

oh....i see, it's the Est game your playing...of shooting down another posters opinion based on...er...your opinion.

You have no more idea than me whether they prefer Martinez to the other candidates, or whether the other candidates even had a chance, it's ALL based on what we feel.

[Lecter]

Of course, it is a gamble. No question about that. But as others have said, every manager has to start somewhere.

Look at Barca now. They have frequently gone with un-tested managers and have had lots of success with that. They lose Guardiola, could pretty much attract any manager in world football, and who do they go for? Some random from within. I wonder what the fan reaction has been to that.

The crucial thing I think we're all missing is the role of the director of football in all of this. Martinez would be less a manager and more a coach. From what I've read, Van Gaal would be involved in trainin and he'd be calling the shots on transfers. Martinez as a traditional manager would be a huge gamble. Martinez with Van Gaal backing him up would be much less of a gamble in my opinion.

If we look at the potential candidates (who are still interested), every one comes with their own 'cons' and would be a gamble in their own right. All apart from Rafa that is, but the owners clearly want to take the club in a new direction. I'd love for Rafa to get the job, but if he doesn't, I'd like to see a Martinez / Van Gaal combo.

You see the promoting from within makes sense because its then evolution not revolution

Thats why LFC were successful they passed on from Shanks to Bob to Fagan to Kenny.

The board knew that any changes made would be gradual someone wouldnt just come in and rip the book up and start again.

The sad thing is the moment they stepped out of that cycle thats exactly what happened - they appointed Souness who came in and ripped out everything and tried to change too much

Even Souness acknowledges this was his failing. When the remaining staff from the Kenny era suggested he should gradually change things he ignored them and went for the complete and instant overhaul

[Pablo]

You see the promoting from within makes sense because its then evolution not revolution

Yep, we want to evolve, and we don't want to revolve

[Lecter]

I just feel the gamble to big at this moment. It's ok getting a young manager in if you are stable and moving in the right direction, Liverpool I feel are far from that. Martinez is I'm sure a nice man, but I don't feel he has the credentials to grip Liverpool and make the big decisions he surely has to make. We need a manager that won't be over influenced by the top players,he needs courage and experience. A couple of years fighting relegation does not make you a top class manager. If he got the job he is then part of Liverpool and thus would receive my support as I'm sure most fans would do, but how deep that support goes would be an important aspect to his on going manager ship of Liverpool.

This is my point of view also

We should be going for a safer bet

I understand why FSG are doing it, just think its ill-advised at this time

[dom9]

Me chill out. ? I'm giving my opinion ffs.

oh....i see, it's the Est game your playing...of shooting down another posters opinion based on...er...your opinion.

You have no more idea than me whether they prefer Martinez to the other candidates, or whether the other candidates even had a chance, it's ALL based on what we feel.

It's not so much what you're saying as how you're saying it.

Sometimes it feels like you're practically slashing your wrists over your keyboard.

You're not the only one, clearly.

[Vermilion]

I think Dom's General Assumption is more spot on than your its obvious its Martinez

Hope so anyway.

Ps Fenway said themselves they would interview a few, never said they would interview only one, the one they most expect to get

"Seems to be obvious". @dom too!

Anyway, i really really hope he gets the job now...so i can revisit this thread and these posts and tell you both how Obvious it all was to me! And how slooooooow you both were for not seeing it.

[dom9]

Is evolution really better then revolution?

Well, it depends on the situation.

Is it better for us? I don't think so. Even hiring Rafa would result in a revolution of sorts, knowing what his player turnover is like.

[kris90210]

I Imagine the Fan reaction being pretty good, its just similar to our golden age of the boot room. And as Regards Barca going with untested managers, who?
I can only think of Guardiola in the last 30 odd years who was untested?

We are employing someone who has absolute no concept of what it means to play or manage a top football club.

Look at some of the names on this list mate:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FC_Barcelona_managers

[red g]

"Seems to be obvious". @dom too!

Anyway, i really really hope he gets the job now...so i can revisit this thread and these posts and tell you both how Obvious it all was to me! And how slooooooow you both were for not seeing it.

Well I actually thought Hodgson was a decent fella before he came to us.....So it wouldnt be the first time i was wrong

[dom9]

"Seems to be obvious". @dom too!

Anyway, i hope he gets the job now...so i can revisit this thread and these posts and tell you both how Obvious it all was to me! And how slooooooow you both were for not seeing it.

Let us see indeed.

For my part, I am not ruling anything in or out. I have absolutely no idea what will happen.

For all, I know, FSG have yet to make the decision themselves, so second guessing them would be, well...

I have expressed only one opinion on the managerial position in the thread so far, and I am happy to repeat it:


Rafa > Martinez > AVB

[Lecter]

Is evolution really better then revolution?

Well, it depends on the situation.

Is it better for us? I don't think so. Even hiring Rafa would result in a revolution of sorts, knowing what his player turnover is like.

Well its 20 odd years since we've won a title

The only time we've promoted from within during that time was Evans

Even Kenny came back in from the cold

All the other appointments have meant enormous change on all levels

Its definitely evolution for me

[Vermilion]

Look at some of the names on this list mate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...elona_managers

Pre war, the names are fanstastic.

[dom9]

Well its 20 odd years since we've won a title

The only time we've promoted from within during that time was Evans

Even Kenny came back in from the cold

All the other appointments have meant enormous change on all levels

Its definitely evolution for me

OK, but to promote from within, you need something there to start with, right? Steve Clark for manager?

[red g]

Look at some of the names on this list mate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...elona_managers

Surely that proves my point

[Vermilion]

Well I actually thought Hodgson was a decent fella before he came to us.....So it wouldnt be the first time i was wrong

Let us see indeed.

For my part, I am not ruling anything in or out. I have absolutely no idea what will happen.

For all, I know, FSG have yet to make the decision themselves, so second guessing them would be, well...

I have expressed only one opinion on the managerial position in the thread so far, and I am happy to repeat it:


Rafa > Martinez > AVB

That fence your sitting on must be hurting yoiur bum by now.

It's ok for people to post who they think FSG are going for you know. So long as they don't claim to be an itk with inside info.