New manager thread

[dom9]

The level of panic in this thread is reaching hysterical levels. You're whipping yourselves up into a stupor.

Take a break, then see what happens. You won't change anything by getting uptight about it.

[malg]

Of course, it is a gamble. No question about that. But as others have said, every manager has to start somewhere.

Look at Barca now. They have frequently gone with un-tested managers and have had lots of success with that. They lose Guardiola, could pretty much attract any manager in world football, and who do they go for? Some random from within. I wonder what the fan reaction has been to that.

The crucial thing I think we're all missing is the role of the director of football in all of this. Martinez would be less a manager and more a coach. From what I've read, Van Gaal would be involved in trainin and he'd be calling the shots on transfers. Martinez as a traditional manager would be a huge gamble. Martinez with Van Gaal backing him up would be much less of a gamble in my opinion.

If we look at the potential candidates (who are still interested), every one comes with their own 'cons' and would be a gamble in their own right. All apart from Rafa that is, but the owners clearly want to take the club in a new direction. I'd love for Rafa to get the job, but if he doesn't, I'd like to see a Martinez / Van Gaal combo.

I just feel the gamble to big at this moment. It's ok getting a young manager in if you are stable and moving in the right direction, Liverpool I feel are far from that. Martinez is I'm sure a nice man, but I don't feel he has the credentials to grip Liverpool and make the big decisions he surely has to make. We need a manager that won't be over influenced by the top players,he needs courage and experience. A couple of years fighting relegation does not make you a top class manager. If he got the job he is then part of Liverpool and thus would receive my support as I'm sure most fans would do, but how deep that support goes would be an important aspect to his on going manager ship of Liverpool.

[Corndog]

It's not even Martinez I have the problem with. In fact, it's the opposite. I reckon he'd try his best to get us playing well and do his best to respect us. I think he's terribly overrated at the moment.

It's the press overhyping him beyond belief and the 'pluck any name of the hat' approach we've had which has led us from Klopp and De Boer to Villas Boas and Martinez. Poor guy never asked to be approached and like Hodgson, it's his big chance to shine. Who wouldn't take that opportunity?

Note, I am not comparing Hodgson's managerial capabilities to Martinez. I am comparing the situation they were/are in with us whereby the fans don't want them and the board seemingly have/had them as their first choice.

I hope we get Van Gaal as manager with Txiki doing the administrative stuff, but we shall see.

I agree, with AVB seemingly out of the race, LVG is the manager i want to see at the helm. If martinez becomes manager he is going to have to have one hell of a skilful and charismatic technical director above him to convince players to join.

[red g]

I just feel the gamble to big at this moment. It's ok getting a young manager in if you are stable and moving in the right direction, Liverpool I feel are far from that. Martinez is I'm sure a nice man, but I don't feel he has the credentials to grip Liverpool and make the big decisions he surely has to make. We need a manager that won't be over influenced by the top players,he needs courage and experience. A couple of years fighting relegation does not make you a top class manager. If he got the job he is then part of Liverpool and thus would receive my support as I'm sure most fans would do, but how deep that support goes would be an important aspect to his on going manager ship of Liverpool.

If and its a bloody big if at the moment, I actually think his support would grow.

One thing is for certain it would make a refreshing change to have an attacking maanger in situ. However unqualified

[Vermilion]

It seems to be obvious now that Martinez is the man FSG wanted, or are most serious about anyway.

[cannotmakeit]

Whelan said Martinez signed an extension to his contract, “so Liverpool would have to buy out his contract. You are into £2 million to £3 million, minimum. Whatever the contract is worth I am sure Liverpool would honour that and buy it out.

[red g]

It seems to be obvious now that Martinez is the man FSG wanted, or are most serious about anyway.

Why?

[dom9]

Why?

[Vermilion]

Why?

Well, imo they've gone for the most realistic target first, the man they expected to be able to get.

[Lecter]

He's not really only done ok though. When you consider it's Wigan we're talking about here, and when you consider the money he's spent and the players he's lost. To have them playing good football and keeping them in the Premiership - it's actually an excellent achievement.

On top of that, for all the praise Swansea are getting, it was Martinez who put the foundations in place for this. Pros and cons of Martinez as I see them:

Pros
+ He gets his team playing attacking, passing football - something we all crave
+ He's a tactician, as shown by his switch to an unusual 3-4-3 system
+ He's young, hungry for success
+ He seems to have good man managment skills
+ Likable
+ Experience of the Premiership
+ Possibly more open to working with an experienced 'Director of Football'

Cons
- He's never managed a 'big' club before
- He's not used to working with 'big' players
- Unproven at the highest level

Now I think that list is pretty impartial, but feel free to correct me. Now, let's assume that FSG want to complement the position of manager with an experienced director of football, such as Van Gaal - who would take a far more hands on role than normal. You get someone who cancel out Martinez's flaws. On paper they would compliment one another perfectly. Add in Segura as someone who is familar with the methods at the club already, as well as working with Benitez and Barcelona.

Personally, I'd be pretty excited to see how a team of Martinez / Van Gaal / Segura would do. Van Gaal is the crucial one though. I really hope we bring him in.

I think the Swansea thing is clutching at straws frankly

He left there 2 or 3 years ago and the batton has been taken up by Rodgers

Yes Rodgers might have used some of the principles Martinez did but hes the one who has shaped that side

Remember also Rodgers finished above Martinez

I dont get how a DOF improves Martinez or cancels out his flaws

The DOF wont be picking the team/tactics that will be down to Martinez

I'd take Van Gaal but only as manager I cant see there being long lasting harmony with him in the DOF role. Hes the Craig H of the football world

Cant say I'm impressed in any way shape or form with Martinez as manager

Step backwards for me and at best its an enormous gamble

But it could turn out to be the David Moyes / Arsene Wenger type gamble

Or the Roy Hodgson, Mike Walker, Steve Bruce type gamble

I think you really have to strike gold for this to work

[dom9]

Well, imo they've gone for the most realistic target, the man they expected to be able to get.

Well, the general assumption is that theyare interviewing 3 people, maybe more.

Just because there is no photo of JWH with xx does not mean that Martinez is the only candidate.

Stop fretting Vermy. It will be alright.

[Vermilion]

Well, the general assumption is that theyare interviewing 3 people, maybe more.

Just because there is no photo of JWH with xx does not mean that Martinez is the only candidate.

Stop fretting Vermy. It will be alright.

Oh damn it! How silly of me! And i thought the picture meant he was hired!

It's my opinion that they want Martinez.

Oh, the genereal assumption based on..er what ?

[red g]

Well, imo they've gone for the most realistic target first, the man they expected to be able to get.

think thats jumping to a huge conclusion and also pretty depressing

Also wouldn't it have been better to exhaust all other possibilities first if they think Martinez is one they expect they could get?

We are not even 2 weeks into this, with 1 interview down.

Chill out

[dom9]

Oh damn it! How silly of me! And i thought the picture meant he was hired!

It's my opinion that they want Martinez.

Oh, the genereal assumption based on..er what ?

Well it's obvious to you. Not me.

General assumption based on careful consideration and aggregation of the conjecture and speculation on this thread and twitter in a completely unscientific and unstructured manner.

[red g]

Oh damn it! How silly of me! And i thought the picture meant he was hired!

It's my opinion that they want Martinez.

Oh, the genereal assumption based on..er what ?

I think Dom's General Assumption is more spot on than your its obvious its Martinez

Hope so anyway.

Ps Fenway said themselves they would interview a few, never said they would interview only one, the one they most expect to get