Of course trophies are nice but I wouldn't expect even City to win two trophies. One is enough.
4th place is priority. Trophies are nice.
4th place is priority. Trophies are nice.
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I was not talking about trading places ... I was talking about experiences that you remember until the end of your life ... Exactly what is the point of Arsenal at the moment? To generate money for their owners? To entertain their audience with beautiful football? Ultimately, it is all about what you win ... No-one remembers how many times you have participated in the competition, unless you win it ...Originally posted by broman View PostComment
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You could argue Wenger's gone stagnant. The game is passing him by.Originally posted by Macedonian_Red View PostComment
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Promise you mate, we never once went down that route, at least not past a primary school version of it.Originally posted by Kronenburg1892 View PostComment
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Rubbish; you are reducing their decision making to what suits your own argument and calling it a precedent based on that. I doubt our owners are as simple and unthinking as this would have us believe.Originally posted by Macedonian_Red View Post
Whether you feel Kenny should have been sacked or not, it's right that particularly in the early years of a manager's charge their performance should be assessed to a greater extent on their overarching vision for the club and what signs there are it is starting to take root. Without any intimate knowledge of those plans that is very difficult to analyse and those within the club are far better placed to comment on it, lack of football experience notwithstanding. I'm not sure Kenny's long term strategy was all that clear from outside, which could be a sign that is was weak or poorly executed. Perhaps if that hadn't been the case he may still be here, even with a similarly disappointing season.
Comolli also being gone suggests the owners now have a better idea of what direction they want the club to take. The little we know about the current recruitment drive lends weight to that theory, with the club looking to put a set of people with a cohesive vision in place rather than a big name in complete control. Whether that works or not is another matter, but it's clearly something with some genuine thought and strategy behind it rather than the brainless "no CL = fail + fire + hire" equation you've put together.Like blood on ironComment
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I'm not so sure. Unless you can convince me otherwise. Henderson had stats written all over his performance and inclusion last year.Originally posted by Mattshark View PostComment
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But as you can see, Arsenal owners would never sack him, as long as he is getting them their CL money ... They also have no problem selling a star player every summer, as long as they are getting their CL money ... In reality, Arsenal are the ugly face of the modern day football ... A money making machine for their owners, with no prospect of winning the Champions League or the Premier League in the near future ...Originally posted by Kronenburg1892 View PostComment
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Yes, and we play to win the biggest trophies most of all, to reach the pinnacle.Originally posted by NigelLG View Post
Winning the league cup is clearly good and represents an achievement of itself, but if we underperform significantly in the league we slip away from realising those much more important goals. So whilst the history books may show this season as more successful than if we'd finished 4th and won no cups, the point is we're rightly thinking about our future success and prospects as well. You could still argue whilst acknowledging this that Kenny was the man to take us forward, but I think it's very naive to paint the season in the light you do in terms of how good it was for the club.Like blood on ironComment
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Matt you keep saying this but how do you know? Relying on a simplistic version of it could very well be a reason why one or both were sacked rather than evidence it wasn't being used.Originally posted by Mattshark View PostLike blood on ironComment
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Sure you weren't. Anyway, the "point" of qualifying for the CL (and by extension Arsenal, in your example) is actually quite simple. CL qualification -> more money, higher profile -> better players -> chance to challenge for #19 and #6. Winning domestic cups is nice and all, but they do ****-all for those two goals and for us as a club. Prioritize cups and soon enough you'll have fallen far enough behind that you're not challenging even for those, let alone the ones that matter.Originally posted by Macedonian_Red View Post
How do you think we won those cups, eh? With players. And if we keep failing to qualify for the CL, how much longer do you think those players - Agger, Suarez, Skrtel, Lucas, Reina - are going to stick around? And when they leave, what type of player will we be able to attract?
How does this relate to Liverpool at all? Okay, so Arsenal have poor owners who don't invest in the club. That doesn't change the fact that CL qualification is good for the club.Originally posted by Macedonian_Red View PostLast edited by Hemingway; 30-05-12, 12:43 AM.Comment
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Hedgehog, think you need to bring the Craig Meme out
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Yes they are. And that is the reality of the league today. If we hadn't have imploded over January or Redknap thinking he'd got the Engerland job, or Drogba missing a penalty, top 4 could have been quite different.Originally posted by Macedonian_Red View Post
The percentage is all to play for.
Teams knew how to set up against us last year. That is the failing of Kenny imo, as will be against anyone else.Comment
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want to, but i'm on my phone.Originally posted by Gibbo9 View PostHedgehog, think you need to bring the Craig Meme outdave of mutilation
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can you not just put them on hold a minute?Originally posted by little dave hedgehog View Post_____________________________________
Weak willed, Wank or do they have a masterplan?
Think we have the answer..Slot!!Comment
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Trey Nyoni: countdown to stardom-2 years1year0.5 yearsComment
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