New manager thread

[Shaggy]

Would you be happy with LVG as manager?

Well I'd be miles happier with him than either the Wigan or Swansea managers.

[kris90210]

I was thinking about this last night. It looks like FSG are hoping to bring in Van Gaal as director of football to work with a 'coach' more than a manager. I've warmed to the idea of Martinez. I like his philosophy of attacking, passing football - plus he's tacticial, gets on with the press (it does help), and he strikes me as someone who the players would respect and *want* to play for. Coupled with Van Gaal, I think it would be interesting to see how it worked.

FSG have clearly wanted a setup like this since they got involved. I think they deserve a shot at this - you can see the thinking behind it. Rogers is also a more interesting candidate than I initially gave him credit for as well. He too has an excellent philosophy - seems very keen to learn. And Swansea played more passes than any other side in the Premiership last season. That's a ****ing incredible statistic right there.

I think the key to making this work is bringing in the right director of football - Van Gaal would be absolutely perfect in my opinion. My biggest worry with bringing in a manager from a lesser team would be that he would be less ambitious in the transfer market. If we had someone like Van Gaal calling the shots, that wouldn't be the case.

The big difference between what Villa are looking for and what we're looking for - they're looking for a manager. We're looking for 20% manager 80% coach (and probably vice versa with the dof). As I said, the key to this is having an experienced, big name director of football.

The other thing that would work - bring Rafa back and give him time and money.

[ronanm]

Seen various sources saying the shortlist for the Aston Villa job is Martinez, Rodgers & Lambert.

Villa FFS.

We are in danger of becoming the new Villa, we need a better appointment than either of those three FFS.

Solskjaer could be on for us then? Childhood red. Love what he's done at Molde

[ukfootballfan101]

Seen various sources saying the shortlist for the Aston Villa job is Martinez, Rodgers & Lambert.

Villa FFS.

We are in danger of becoming the new Villa, we need a better appointment than either of those three FFS.

Martinez has already turned down Villa once, and if Rodgers won't talk to us there is no chance of him talking to Villa!!

Just because they are managing smaller clubs now doesn't mean they can't be successful in the futre, most of the best managers ever started managing at small clubs i.e.:-

1. Jock Stein - won loads at Celtic, started at Dunfermline Athletic
2. Brian Clough - winner of 2 european cups, started at Hartlepools United
3. Ottmar Hitzfeld - also a winner of 2 european cups, spent the first 5 years of his career managing SC Zug and FC Aarau in Switzerland
4. Fergie - He spent his first 4 years at East Stirlingshire and St. Mirren
5. Marcello Lippi - winner of 5 league titles and a european cup with Juventus and a world cup with Italy spent his first 10 years are various small clubs in Italy
6. Arsene Wenger managed Nancy-Lorraine, Monaco and Nagoya Grampus Eight before Arsenal
7. Bill Shankly managed; Carlisle United, Grimsby Town, Workington and Huddersfield Town before joining us!!

[Alex]

So how I see it now:

FSG want a DOF to oversee long term strategy and ins/outs on the playing side, and a Coach to mold the players into that philosophy. Making each part able to function if one fails.

If the manager fails, they get a new one to make it work, if the DOF fails, the manager is still there to keep the playing style the same.

This is the only way I could be comfortable with Martinez and LVG. Martinez wouldn't be responsible for spending £££ when he has only really had experience spending small amounts.

[dww]

Martinez has already turned down Villa once, and if Rodgers won't talk to us there is no chance of him talking to Villa!!

Just because they are managing smaller clubs now doesn't mean they can't be successful in the futre, most of the best managers ever started managing at small clubs i.e.:-

1. Jock Stein - won loads at Celtic, started at Dunfermline Athletic
2. Brian Clough - winner of 2 european cups, started at Hartlepools United
3. Ottmar Hitzfeld - also a winner of 2 european cups, spent the first 5 years of his career managing SC Zug and FC Aarau in Switzerland
4. Fergie - He spent his first 4 years at East Stirlingshire and St. Mirren
5. Marcello Lippi - winner of 5 league titles and a european cup with Juventus and a world cup with Italy spent his first 10 years are various small clubs in Italy
6. Arsene Wenger managed Nancy-Lorraine, Monaco and Nagoya Grampus Eight before Arsenal
7. Bill Shankly managed; Carlisle United, Grimsby Town, Workington and Huddersfield Town before joining us!!

I think that the prevailing theory is that football has changed though - that it is harder to grow a team from a lowly position to challenge.

[cream]

Well I'd be miles happier with him than either the Wigan or Swansea managers.

I don't see the problem then, if LVG is brought in to mentor a young up and coming manager like Rogers. For the first time in a long time, we look to have a 'footballing philosophy' and are bringing people in to fit that rather than the other way round. I'm pretty excited about the future.

[Shaggy]

Martinez has already turned down Villa once, and if Rodgers won't talk to us there is no chance of him talking to Villa!!

Apparently the reason Rodgers "turned us down" was because he didn't want to be one of a dozen being considered, i.e he wasn't convinced he was genuinely wanted, which is usually all any player or manager wants.

I think he'd talk to Villa and I also think he'll end up talking to FSG.

[badpiggy]

I was thinking about this last night. It looks like FSG are hoping to bring in Van Gaal as director of football to work with a 'coach' more than a manager. I've warmed to the idea of Martinez. I like his philosophy of attacking, passing football - plus he's tacticial, gets on with the press (it does help), and he strikes me as someone who the players would respect and *want* to play for. Coupled with Van Gaal, I think it would be interesting to see how it worked.

FSG have clearly wanted a setup like this since they got involved. I think they deserve a shot at this - you can see the thinking behind it. Rogers is also a more interesting candidate than I initially gave him credit for as well. He too has an excellent philosophy - seems very keen to learn. And Swansea played more passes than any other side in the Premiership last season. That's a ****ing incredible statistic right there.

I think the key to making this work is bringing in the right director of football - Van Gaal would be absolutely perfect in my opinion. My biggest worry with bringing in a manager from a lesser team would be that he would be less ambitious in the transfer market. If we had someone like Van Gaal calling the shots, that wouldn't be the case.

The big difference between what Villa are looking for and what we're looking for - they're looking for a manager. We're looking for 20% manager 80% coach (and probably vice versa with the dof). As I said, the key to this is having an experienced, big name director of football.

The other thing that would work - bring Rafa back and give him time and money.

I agree with all that Kris. I know on one level I'd be fairly underwhelmed by Rodgers being our new manager but - and talking about this with other football fans - I think he's a very impressive football man. He seems a far more imposing character than either Martinez or AVB. Also I think we need to prepare for something new and I'm kind of excited by the idea of Van Gaal setting us up for the long term in a DoF role with an exciting attack/passing type coach like Martinez or maybe even Rodgers. It's all change around here I think. My suspicions about Villas Boas remain. But him and Van Gaal could be special.

But like you say as well - either go with a whole new system or get Rafa back.

[spider-neil]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liver...name_page.html

ROBERTO MARTINEZ’S chances of being appointed Liverpool FC manager have been boosted after the club’s owners ruled Andre Villas-Boas out of the running.

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Villas-Boas has been the bookies’ favourite to succeed Kenny Dalglish at Anfield but the ECHO understands the former Chelsea boss is no longer a candidate.

Following initial talks with the 34-year-old, the Reds’ interest in him has cooled and Fenway Sports Group (FSG) are pressing on with considering other options.

Wigan manager Martinez appears to be in the box seat but the Spaniard, who is on holiday in Barbados, has yet to meet principal owner John W Henry and chairman Tom Werner for a formal interview.




Swansea City’s Brendan Rodgers still remains in contention despite his initial reluctance to discuss the job when he was approached last week. Rodgers could be tempted if it emerges that he’s on FSG’s shortlist.

Villas-Boas hadn’t initially been on the lengthy list drawn up by FSG following the sacking of Dalglish.

However, after making it clear to Liverpool he wanted to be considered talks were scheduled and the ex-Porto chief swiftly emerged as a frontrunner for the vacancy.

Villas-Boas, who has also been linked with the vacant manager’s job at Roma, has been looking for the chance to re-establish his reputation following a torrid nine-month spell at Stamford Bridge which ended in March.

But that opportunity won’t come at Anfield after FSG decided against inviting him for a formal interview.

Liverpool’s owners are planning to hold talks with experienced Dutchman Louis van Gaal about a possible role for him at Anfield.

But reports suggesting the ex-Barcelona boss has already been offered the position of sporting director are wide of the mark.

Van Gaal, who has been out of management since leaving Bayern Munich back in April 2011, has made it clear that he would be interested in making the switch to Anfield.

However, the 60-year-old wants to be considered for the vacant manager’s job, while it appears more likely FSG would want him as sporting director alongside a younger boss in the new structure they plan to unveil at Anfield.

Until that meeting takes place, whether Van Gaal has a part to play in Liverpool’s future won’t be clear cut.

well, it WONT be villas boas
the echo is about as good a source as it gets.

[badpiggy]

Wonder why that is? Although I can imagine Villas Boas giving a monumentally awful impression of himself in an interview somehow. He might have learned absolutely nothing from his time at Chelsea. It might have actually ruined him.

[ukfootballfan101]

I think that the prevailing theory is that football has changed though - that it is harder to grow a team from a lowly position to challenge.

I don't think any of those managers were that successful with the smaller clubs they managed (with a few exceptions), but in most cases them demonstrated qualities that attacted bigger clubs, thats why I think the owners like Martinez...Looking at the league table Pulis is a better manager than Martinez, but his approach wouldn't work at a big club, but Martinez has Wigan playing good football, he's adaptable and calm under pressure, all important things for the elite..

[Reece]

Wonder why that is? Although I can imagine Villas Boas giving a monumentally awful impression of himself in an interview somehow. He might have learned absolutely nothing from his time at Chelsea. It might have actually ruined him.

He refused to sit on the chair offered to him, and instead squatted in front of JWH's desk.

[kop-al-74]

He refused to sit on the chair offered to him, and instead squatted in front of JWH's desk.

[cannotmakeit]

Seen various sources saying the shortlist for the Aston Villa job is Martinez, Rodgers & Lambert.

Villa FFS.

We are in danger of becoming the new Villa, we need a better appointment than either of those three FFS.

We're already Villa's standard