New manager thread

[Gingawaria]

After Comolli went I think there was talk of him staying another season and seeing out his contract. Id love to see him stay another year or 2.

He's definitely got more to offer and the fact that he didn't feature more last season was shocking really.

[Jop]

Fair enough, but I'm not the first one in this thread to say "****ing Rodgers" at some point. Alas it's the only time it seems to provoke a response. The small time business was in relation to the managements decision making. Can you imagine any other team of our size giving an inexperienced manager who wasn't an icon at their club (i.e. Guardiola) a job like this? 1 season ago no one would consider him a candidate, now he's getting the job, as I say, it was a very good season, but football relies on continuity and this is a massive risk, that to be honest we don't need.

I didn't say it wasn't a progressive decision, I was indicating it perhaps isn't the wisest.

It is post like this thak keep sane people off this site ..... when was it the Liverpool way to say "****ing" about anybody player or manager before they even get started ?? Is the Liverpool way not to give every a fair shot ?? Even the cowboys got a fair chance.

Also this stupid comment "Can you imagine any other team of our size giving an inexperienced manager who wasn't an icon at their club (i.e. Guardiola) a job like this?" ....

How would you like to try Bill Shankly from Huddersfield to Liverpool !!!

Shankly's initial role at Huddersfield was as reserve team coach. He found himself in charge of several promising youngsters who soon graduated to the first team after Town were relegated to the Second Division at the end of the 1955–56 season. Beattie resigned in the next season and, on 5 November 1956, Shankly succeeded him as manager. On Christmas Eve, he gave a first team debut to an outstanding 16 year old prospect, Denis Law. Another outstanding prospect in his team was left back Ray Wilson who went on to become Huddersfield's most capped player before joining Everton. Shankly did not gain promotion at Huddersfield, the team finishing 12th in 1956–57, 9th in 1957–58 and 14th in 1958–59.[60]
Other players in Shankly's Huddersfield team were Ken Taylor, who was also an England Test cricketer; striker Les Massie and captain Bill McGarry.[61] On 21 December 1957, Huddersfield lost 7–6 to Charlton Athletic, who played most of the match with ten men, after Huddersfield were leading 5–1 with just 27 minutes remaining. Shankly described it as "one of the most amazing games I have ever seen".[62] But, on another occasion, Huddersfield beat Liverpool 5–0 with ten men and Shankly recalled "the Liverpool directors leaving the ground in single file like a funeral procession".[62]
Disillusioned by a board that wanted to sell his best players without offering money to buy replacements, Shankly felt stifled by Huddersfield's lack of ambition and was delighted in November 1959 to receive an approach for his services by Liverpool. He recalled how Liverpool chairman Tom (T.V.) Williams asked him if he would like to manage the "best club in the country", to which Shankly replied: "Why, is Matt Busby packing up?"[63] Shankly decided to think about the offer as he realised the great potential at Liverpool, who were also in the Second Division at that time. Rumours began and were fuelled by Liverpool's visit to Leeds Road on 28 November. Although Huddersfield won the game 1–0, Shankly accepted the Liverpool offer and resigned his position as Huddersfield manager at a board meeting on 1 December 1959.[64] His league record at Huddersfield was 49 wins and 47 defeats in 129 matches.[60]

I despair sometimes that the YNWA culture is ceasing to excist at our club

[Bender]

Former Liverpool winger John Barnes on BBC Radio 5 live:
"I always say that when you have a philosophy on football, you need the players who can instil that. Are they the type of players who can play the way Rodgers wants them to? They will have to have some adjustment.
"We have to give the situation time to develop. You have to come to a point where you can't keep changing managers year in, year out. It's been 20 years since we have won league.
"We've been chopping and changing. We need to do what is in the best interests of the club, even if that means we don't qualify for the Champions League in the next three years."

Former Liverpool striker Robbie Fowler told paddypower.com:
"For what Brendan Rodgers has achieved at Swansea, he deserves huge respect. He's worked under Jose Mourinho at Chelsea so he knows the score and he's worked with top players.
"The new manager will need to bring in new players again to take Liverpool from a top-eight club to a top-four club. That's going to be really difficult. It's a massive challenge."

[Tadees]

Souness, Evans, Foollier, Lafa, Dinosaur and now the boy Brendan. When it comes to managers, we have been rodgered more times than a police walkie talkie.

[Lecter]

Brendan Rodgers must keep Liverpool's congregation on side or risk drowning in whirlpool of fan discontent

Brendan Rodgers has no chance of reviving Liverpool unless the whole club support him and avoid nostalgia for Boot Room heroes or for Rafa Benítez.


By Paul Hayward, Chief Sports Writer

6:20AM BST 31 May 2012


In football now – and especially at Anfield – a maelstrom starts when a manager who fell below the expectations of the masses fails to please the audience.


His talent and vision are not in doubt. Nor his understanding of how football is evolving beyond these shores. But a problem for this 39-year-old Northern Irishman is that he is not Kenny Dalglish or Benítez, who will both be spoken of wistfully in the pubs around Anfield if Liverpool are not back in the top four by Bonfire Night.


By leaving a club where his imprint is everywhere Rodgers strides into a highly distinctive culture which has not lowered its sights to take account of the 22-year gap since the last league title.


He will encounter many fans who thought Dalglish was unjustly sacked and others who felt Benítez should have been repatriated to the Anfield republic.


All Liverpool supporters will have been unanimous on one point. They needed an aristocratic coach who could restore the cult of the leader bestowed by Bill Shankly and Bob Paisley.


Without the endorsement of the congregation on Merseyside a manager has to burn energy trying to win over and convince.

Many minds were made up against Roy Hodgson from the start. Scepticism turned to hostility when the football he delivered was given the thumbs-down by fans still buoyed by the Istanbul Champions League win.

Not appointed, not interviewed or just not interested were Pep Guardiola, Fabio Capello, Andre Villas-Boas and Frank de Boer. The Fenway Sports Group long-list spoke of open-mindedness and an American way of doing business.

The problem was that whoever was given the job would be judged against the names on that list who will not be taking over from Dalglish.

Rodgers was at the far end of the inexperience spectrum, with one season in the Premier League.

As the news of his anointment filtered through, people rushed to argue that it was Roberto Martinez, not Rodgers, who laid down the template of brave, possession-based play at Swansea, who will be distraught to lose such a progressive coach so soon into their return to the top flight.

Most of this is just unfair. Can we be sure Martinez would have guided Swansea to 11th place in the Premier League table?

Would he have produced such dramatic improvement in players whose métier seemed to be the second and even third tiers? Maybe, but Rodgers should not have to surrender any credit for the inspiring nature of Swansea’s Barcelona-based system.

If this is how Liverpool end up playing, with the ball always passed from defence and great fluidity and enterprise in midfield, then they will have taken an evolutionary leap. But stylistic reinvention is never instant.

Fenway have returned to their founding principles of faith in youth and long-term thinking. For that to work they will have to resist the disaffection of fans who have lost touch with the reality of Liverpool’s league position.

The emperor Dalglish will no longer be gazing down from the stands. Or not as saviour-in-waiting, anyway. However much he wanted the job when Hodgson was appointed, he will respect Rodgers’ position and will not imagine himself riding to the rescue for a third time.

The job has changed entirely. Liverpool overpaid for Andy Carroll, Jordan Henderson and Stewart Downing: a problem Rodgers has inherited.

At Swansea he relied on technique and aspiration to transform Championship players into Premier League artistes. This time he will either have to purge expensive acquisitions from Dalglish’s time or persuade them to buy into his Spanish methodology.

Carroll is not a Swansea kind of player. Unless he abandons his religion Rodgers will not want Liverpool to play through a target man. In South Wales, Danny Graham was more of a David Villa type.

There is also the familiar need for Rodgers to bring Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher onside. These elder statesmen remain the bridge to the future as well as the past. They can help Rodgers push through his changes just as Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes support Sir Alex Ferguson at Manchester United.

The brightest vision is of Rodgers lending Liverpool a new identity and purpose. But for him to have any chance the club’s following must avoid the 12-game premature grumbling syndrome that brings so many managers down. Once this starts it becomes self-fulfilling.

The emotional volatility of Liverpool’s support might have persuaded Rodgers to stay where he was. Instead he has gambled his own promising career on a club sliding into shadow. They should take that as a compliment, an endorsement, and swing behind him. He talks and acts like a man with soul.

[Lecter]

It is post like this thak keep sane people off this site ..... when was it the Liverpool way to say "****ing" about anybody player or manager before they even get started ?? Is the Liverpool way not to give every a fair shot ?? Even the cowboys got a fair chance.

Also this stupid comment "Can you imagine any other team of our size giving an inexperienced manager who wasn't an icon at their club (i.e. Guardiola) a job like this?" ....

How would you like to try Bill Shankly from Huddersfield to Liverpool !!!

Shankly's initial role at Huddersfield was as reserve team coach. He found himself in charge of several promising youngsters who soon graduated to the first team after Town were relegated to the Second Division at the end of the 1955–56 season. Beattie resigned in the next season and, on 5 November 1956, Shankly succeeded him as manager. On Christmas Eve, he gave a first team debut to an outstanding 16 year old prospect, Denis Law. Another outstanding prospect in his team was left back Ray Wilson who went on to become Huddersfield's most capped player before joining Everton. Shankly did not gain promotion at Huddersfield, the team finishing 12th in 1956–57, 9th in 1957–58 and 14th in 1958–59.[60]
Other players in Shankly's Huddersfield team were Ken Taylor, who was also an England Test cricketer; striker Les Massie and captain Bill McGarry.[61] On 21 December 1957, Huddersfield lost 7–6 to Charlton Athletic, who played most of the match with ten men, after Huddersfield were leading 5–1 with just 27 minutes remaining. Shankly described it as "one of the most amazing games I have ever seen".[62] But, on another occasion, Huddersfield beat Liverpool 5–0 with ten men and Shankly recalled "the Liverpool directors leaving the ground in single file like a funeral procession".[62]
Disillusioned by a board that wanted to sell his best players without offering money to buy replacements, Shankly felt stifled by Huddersfield's lack of ambition and was delighted in November 1959 to receive an approach for his services by Liverpool. He recalled how Liverpool chairman Tom (T.V.) Williams asked him if he would like to manage the "best club in the country", to which Shankly replied: "Why, is Matt Busby packing up?"[63] Shankly decided to think about the offer as he realised the great potential at Liverpool, who were also in the Second Division at that time. Rumours began and were fuelled by Liverpool's visit to Leeds Road on 28 November. Although Huddersfield won the game 1–0, Shankly accepted the Liverpool offer and resigned his position as Huddersfield manager at a board meeting on 1 December 1959.[64] His league record at Huddersfield was 49 wins and 47 defeats in 129 matches.[60]

I despair sometimes that the YNWA culture is ceasing to excist at our club

I think you have to remember LFC was not a big club when Shanks took over

We were in the old 2nd division (the same division as Hudds), the training ground and the pitch itself were an absolute mess

Shanks built the "big club"

[BootRoom]

Brendan Rodgers must keep Liverpool's congregation on side or risk drowning in whirlpool of fan discontent

Brendan Rodgers has no chance of reviving Liverpool unless the whole club support him and avoid nostalgia for Boot Room heroes or for Rafa Benítez.


By Paul Hayward, Chief Sports Writer

6:20AM BST 31 May 2012


In football now – and especially at Anfield – a maelstrom starts when a manager who fell below the expectations of the masses fails to please the audience.


His talent and vision are not in doubt. Nor his understanding of how football is evolving beyond these shores. But a problem for this 39-year-old Northern Irishman is that he is not Kenny Dalglish or Benítez, who will both be spoken of wistfully in the pubs around Anfield if Liverpool are not back in the top four by Bonfire Night.


By leaving a club where his imprint is everywhere Rodgers strides into a highly distinctive culture which has not lowered its sights to take account of the 22-year gap since the last league title.


He will encounter many fans who thought Dalglish was unjustly sacked and others who felt Benítez should have been repatriated to the Anfield republic.


All Liverpool supporters will have been unanimous on one point. They needed an aristocratic coach who could restore the cult of the leader bestowed by Bill Shankly and Bob Paisley.


Without the endorsement of the congregation on Merseyside a manager has to burn energy trying to win over and convince.

Many minds were made up against Roy Hodgson from the start. Scepticism turned to hostility when the football he delivered was given the thumbs-down by fans still buoyed by the Istanbul Champions League win.

Not appointed, not interviewed or just not interested were Pep Guardiola, Fabio Capello, Andre Villas-Boas and Frank de Boer. The Fenway Sports Group long-list spoke of open-mindedness and an American way of doing business.

The problem was that whoever was given the job would be judged against the names on that list who will not be taking over from Dalglish.

Rodgers was at the far end of the inexperience spectrum, with one season in the Premier League.

As the news of his anointment filtered through, people rushed to argue that it was Roberto Martinez, not Rodgers, who laid down the template of brave, possession-based play at Swansea, who will be distraught to lose such a progressive coach so soon into their return to the top flight.

Most of this is just unfair. Can we be sure Martinez would have guided Swansea to 11th place in the Premier League table?

Would he have produced such dramatic improvement in players whose métier seemed to be the second and even third tiers? Maybe, but Rodgers should not have to surrender any credit for the inspiring nature of Swansea’s Barcelona-based system.

If this is how Liverpool end up playing, with the ball always passed from defence and great fluidity and enterprise in midfield, then they will have taken an evolutionary leap. But stylistic reinvention is never instant.

Fenway have returned to their founding principles of faith in youth and long-term thinking. For that to work they will have to resist the disaffection of fans who have lost touch with the reality of Liverpool’s league position.

The emperor Dalglish will no longer be gazing down from the stands. Or not as saviour-in-waiting, anyway. However much he wanted the job when Hodgson was appointed, he will respect Rodgers’ position and will not imagine himself riding to the rescue for a third time.

The job has changed entirely. Liverpool overpaid for Andy Carroll, Jordan Henderson and Stewart Downing: a problem Rodgers has inherited.

At Swansea he relied on technique and aspiration to transform Championship players into Premier League artistes. This time he will either have to purge expensive acquisitions from Dalglish’s time or persuade them to buy into his Spanish methodology.

Carroll is not a Swansea kind of player. Unless he abandons his religion Rodgers will not want Liverpool to play through a target man. In South Wales, Danny Graham was more of a David Villa type.

There is also the familiar need for Rodgers to bring Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher onside. These elder statesmen remain the bridge to the future as well as the past. They can help Rodgers push through his changes just as Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes support Sir Alex Ferguson at Manchester United.

The brightest vision is of Rodgers lending Liverpool a new identity and purpose. But for him to have any chance the club’s following must avoid the 12-game premature grumbling syndrome that brings so many managers down. Once this starts it becomes self-fulfilling.

The emotional volatility of Liverpool’s support might have persuaded Rodgers to stay where he was. Instead he has gambled his own promising career on a club sliding into shadow. They should take that as a compliment, an endorsement, and swing behind him. He talks and acts like a man with soul.

Utter cack.

[Shaggy]

I didn't want him and thought it was a small time appointment, but he's the boss now and I'm warming to him. Certainly this is no Hodgson-style appointment. I love the cut of his jib and it's going to be pretty exciting.

Apols if this has been posted but he said this the other week

Brendan Rodgers was praiseful of Andy Carroll as he believes the striker is hitting form and confidence at last following his move

“I thought Liverpool were excellent in midweek and Andy Carroll was really impressive,” said Rodgers in today's Wales on Sunday.

“It shows it’s a totally different pressure when you play for a big club like Liverpool. You are expected to win every single game and it was new for him.

“The adaptation takes time and forget about the football, it was a life change.

“He was bought for the long term. He didn’t put the price tag on his head. He’s a young kid who I have seen come through the England ranks. It was always going to take time.

“But we are starting to see the first real performances that you think he can go on and become a really fantastic player for Liverpool.

“He looked lean, mobile and great in his physicality the other night and his touch was good.

“He got a boost from his cameo in the FA Cup final and he’ll be coming here to do well.

“I don’t think Kenny’s been a failure. He’s got them to two cup finals, winning one and going close in the other one.

“Liverpool is an incredible club with history of winning leagues and European Cups, but the reality is they are trying to build back towards that.

“The Liverpool supporters and public probably see no better man to do it. He’s had a history of success at the club, both as a player and manager. He has the ultimate respect.

“He has a brilliant coach in Steve Clarke, who I know well and speak regularly to so he has a strong team behind him. It just takes time.”

http://www.planetswans.co.uk/article/view/rodgers-praise-for-carroll

[Tadees]

Nonsense - Hayward is just trying to make a case for Rodgers through the medium of flowery language. He is the wrong choice. Full stop.

[Lecter]

Utter cack.

[Tadees]

I didn't want him and thought it was a small time appointment, but he's the boss now and I'm warming to him. Certainly this is no Hodgson-style appointment. I love the cut of his jib and it's going to be pretty exciting.

Apols if this has been posted but he said this the other week



http://www.planetswans.co.uk/article...se-for-carroll

Steve Clarke is gone

[Shaggy]

No he hasn't.

[Lecter]

Steve Clarke is gone

Is he?

[Neil Young]

Utter cack.

Yeah, right. "Emotional volatility" doesn't come close to describing the seemingly endless parade of divas and drama queens in our fanbase.

[Gingawaria]

Souness, Evans, Foollier, Lafa, Dinosaur and now the boy Brendan. When it comes to managers, we have been rodgered more times than a police walkie talkie.

Are you sure you're a Liverpool fan? Foolier? Lafa? Dinosaur?!!?

Enormously disrespectful.