We have spent £26m so far

[Shaggy]

Bi'm bissed bout of by brains

[Fredo]

Explain your sums to the nearest £10000 please, then I might take this post seriously.

That was an arbitrary figure but I'm sure you get my point.

[Suarez]

We're still very thin through the squad, especially upfront. I can only presume that Rogers has another striker in mind (with the way he's dealing with Carrol) and I'd love to know who that is.

[destinydude]

The owners expectations should match their investment. Reading in another thread that there is a correlation between winning teams and the wages they pay.

Rogers apart from the foot in mouth disease with Agger (and to a lesser extent Carroll) has done ok. He's trying to right the wrongs of previous windows but who wants an overpriced Adams, Downing, Carroll etc etc?
He's got a clear strategy with regard to playing style, i just think he's hamstrung with the owners not wanting to invest. His vision is a long term one, but as we saw with Kenny how long will FSG and the fans give him?

This pretty much everything that is wrong with our supporters.

They invested to the tune of 30-35 mill net last summer and paid good wages. It's just a shame that we pissed most of it down the drain.

Now they are a bit apprehensive because we can't keep doing it forever. They want to cut down on the wages of players whoa aren't contributing to the team significantly and that is something we should all appreciate.

Maxi, Bellers haven't played that much last season yet were on 3 to 3.5 mill. Kuyt is the only major player we have let go and we have used Borini to replace him though it's not a like for like replacement. Aquilani was just a huge let down. Glad we got him off our books.

Add to that they have spent about 25mill net this summer considering teh fact that we get around 1.5 mill net from Aquilani's sale.

Once we get rid of Cole and to a lesser extent Carragher, we'll have another 8 million every year to spend.

Right now we are trying to live within our means. Personally I'm glad we are trying to stabilize this season than going for on a ridiculous spending spree.

Even if we bought more players, we don't have the muscle to outspend Chelsea or City or even Utd for that matter. Arsenal and the rest can always have huge wage books as they generate a lot more than us.

We always have to play cat and mouse with debt if we drop pout of Champions League after one season even if we just qualify.

I can be patient for a bit more time considering the fact that we are righting all our previous wrongs. Once the wage bill comes to 100 mill from last years figures of 125 mill (edit: 135 mill from the latest accounts as compared to 121 the year before) or so, we will be fine and will have about 25 million every year to spend on transfers.

The owners can then pump in another 30-35 mill if necessary.

[destinydude]

From Lfchistory.net

In
Borini - 10.4m
Allen - 15m

Out
Maxi, Bellamy - Undisclosed ( probably nothing. We are happy to let them go as we'll be saving on wages)
Kuyt - 1m
Aquilani - 7m of which we'll pay 5m back to him as wages over the next two yeas. So 2m net.

In all 25.4 (in) -3m (out) = 22.4m which isn't bad

[RichC]

I actually think so far this has been a decent enough window, we've actually brought players in with a plan in mind, rather than go for players as they're a big name we have signed players to fit into a system which is a great to see.

Obviously we've lost Maxi, Kuyt and Bellamy from the squad but all would have been fringe players for us and it will have saved us c. £12M in wages this year and of course there is Aquilani who would have continued to be a drain on resources.

We still need a couple more players in and I'd rather not lose many more from the squad, but we still have time to do so and I expect we will strengthen further.

We can't match Chelsea or City for transfer fees and wages but we appear to being smart with our transfer policy and this can only be a good thing.

[Exiled_red]

The window does not reflect well on FSG.
They crave Champions League yet give the new manager a paltry transfer budget
Sell to buy policy is fine, when your selling squad/out of favour players, but obviously nobody wants these turds so now we're trying to sell the crown jewels
I could have understood this conservative budget if a stadium decision was made, but no the owners are still dithering away on that (trying to do it on the cheap).
All in all I don't believe they have the resources that will allow us to compete, they know that too, so they're getting everything in ship shape condition and imo they will look to move us on, making a nice profit on the way.

I think you have to remember we are going to be sticking to FFP, without CL revenue there is a huge deficit in the budget. If you consider under the previous owners we were paying ~£30m a year in interest payments, if we were in the CL the club would have an excess of ~£30m to spend on players, without CL football that is wiped out.

Financial Fair Play allows a deficit of ~£40-45m over the assessment period, if you bare in mind that last season we had a net spend of ~£30m, so far this season we have a net spend of ~£25m taking into account a reduction in the wage bill and the fact we've had to pay off players, managers and compensate Swansea for Rodgers, I would imagine that this spending puts us close to the allowed limit. Meaning we are now almost certainly in a position where we have to sell to buy or loan player in.

Now I know that some people will say that FSG are naive to stick to FFP, but it looks like that is what they plan to do. Henry keeps talking about it so it would be hypocritical if we weren't to stick to it, similarly it is hypocritical for us fans to want City/Chelsea to be punished for not sticking to FFP if we want LFC not to stick to it.

From our point of view FFP has come in just at the wrong time after being screwed over by the previous owners for so long we needed a couple of years ofsignificant spending on the right players to get ourselves back where we should be. I fear FFP could delay our progress for a few years

Now that's the financial side done, for a football point of view I'd like to see a couple more players come in, there are also a couple of players who I'd be happy to see leave, but I don't see them raising enough money for us to buy the players we need.

[Corndog]

I actually think so far this has been a decent enough window, we've actually brought players in with a plan in mind, rather than go for players as they're a big name we have signed players to fit into a system which is a great to see.

Obviously we've lost Maxi, Kuyt and Bellamy from the squad but all would have been fringe players for us and it will have saved us c. £12M in wages this year and of course there is Aquilani who would have continued to be a drain on resources.

We still need a couple more players in and I'd rather not lose many more from the squad, but we still have time to do so and I expect we will strengthen further.

We can't match Chelsea or City for transfer fees and wages but we appear to being smart with our transfer policy and this can only be a good thing.

[Zapater]

From Lfchistory.net

In
Borini - 10.4m
Allen - 15m

Out
Maxi, Bellamy - Undisclosed ( probably nothing. We are happy to let them go as we'll be saving on wages)
Kuyt - 1m
Aquilani - 7m of which we'll pay 5m back to him as wages over the next two yeas. So 2m net.

In all 25.4 (in) -3m (out) = 22.4m which isn't bad

For this to be true, you'd have to calculate Allen's and Borini's wages and add that to their transfer fees for the duration of their contracts.

[destinydude]

For this to be true, you'd have to calculate Allen's and Borini's wages and add that to their transfer fees for the duration of their contracts.

Err what? If you sold a player but are still paying his wages then obviously that's money going off out books.

I've counted Allen's and Borni's wages in our 100-110mill wage bill which is what we should be aiming for.

[Phoenix07]

We still need two attacking players because Cole is not good enough for the wide areas.

We've let go of quite a few players. If we match what's come in and what's gone out:

Kuyt = Borini
Aquilani = Allen
Maxi = Cole?
Bellamy = ?
Aurelio = Jack Robinson?
Carroll? = ?
Adam? = Dempsey?

If we count Jack Robinson as a back-up for Enrique, then that's ok, but what if Carroll goes too? We've saved quite a bit in wages against pay-offs, so I'd not be impressed if Borini and Allen are our only pieces of business.

I'm not surprised we're still being linked with 3-4 players, because that's what we need. The only thing is they need to be of a high technical quality.

[destinydude]

I think you have to remember we are going to be sticking to FFP, without CL revenue there is a huge deficit in the budget. If you consider under the previous owners we were paying ~£30m a year in interest payments, if we were in the CL the club would have an excess of ~£30m to spend on players, without CL football that is wiped out.

Financial Fair Play allows a deficit of ~£40-45m over the assessment period, if you bare in mind that last season we had a net spend of ~£30m, so far this season we have a net spend of ~£25m taking into account a reduction in the wage bill and the fact we've had to pay off players, managers and compensate Swansea for Rodgers, I would imagine that this spending puts us close to the allowed limit. Meaning we are now almost certainly in a position where we have to sell to buy or loan player in.

Now I know that some people will say that FSG are naive to stick to FFP, but it looks like that is what they plan to do. Henry keeps talking about it so it would be hypocritical if we weren't to stick to it, similarly it is hypocritical for us fans to want City/Chelsea to be punished for not sticking to FFP if we want LFC not to stick to it.

From our point of view FFP has come in just at the wrong time after being screwed over by the previous owners for so long we needed a couple of years ofsignificant spending on the right players to get ourselves back where we should be. I fear FFP could delay our progress for a few years

Now that's the financial side done, for a football point of view I'd like to see a couple more players come in, there are also a couple of players who I'd be happy to see leave, but I don't see them raising enough money for us to buy the players we need.

And despite not being in the Champions League, our Revenues have not dipped by the so called £30m figure dipped as we have raised money through new commercial deals (about £15m more) and the Prem TV Money has gone up by £6m or so and another £8m from Europa.

We are trying to live with in our means and still raise more money to negate our not being in the Champions League. Personally if we slash our wage bill to £100m-£105m, we will be fine as that will add another £20m-£25m mill to our transfer budget every season.

[destinydude]

We still need two attacking players because Cole is not good enough for the wide areas.

We've let go of quite a few players. If we match what's come in and what's gone out:

Kuyt = Borini
Aquilani = Allen
Maxi = Cole?
Bellamy = ?
Aurelio = Jack Robinson?
Carroll? = ?
Adam? = Dempsey?

If we count Jack Robinson as a back-up for Enrique, then that's ok, but what if Carroll goes too? We've saved quite a bit in wages against pay-offs, so I'd not be impressed if Borini and Allen are our only pieces of business.

I'm not surprised we're still being linked with 3-4 players, because that's what we need. The only thing is they need to be of a high technical quality.

For now, one more winger will suffice. We can add 1-2 players if necessary in Jan. We have a manageable squad to get through till Jan.

Point is, we will have to wait till the transfer window closes to know which other fringe players still are on our books that we'd like to get rid of. Once we have a clear knowledge about that, we will approach Jan window better

[Tee]

Lets just get one thing clear. FSG have not spent a pennny in this transfer window, Liverpool FC has spent what money we have generated.

[RichC]

What's your point ?