Hillsborough

[Buzzo]

Thank you anyway

I misread your post, didn't realise you were after Heysel recollections.

I am sure there is a documentary about it.........

.........quick google search, it is over 10 parts - but

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnCz4CbSMII"]Heysel 1985: Requiem For A Cup Final - Part 1 - YouTube[/ame]

Mods... Perhaps it is appropriate to put this in another thread?

[EwarWoo]

Not sure if this is the right place to be asking all this, but I would really appreciate any info you guys have. I really want to know everything there is to know about my club, even if it is as harrowing as this.

You started a thread on this before, probably better to bump that for more info:

http://www.est1892.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=75647&highlight=heysel

[Lecter]

Thank you.

In regards to the "LFC Fans" who were there...

Was it true many were members of other English Club Firms.

Also, is there any opinions of it people here would like to share? Its harder to understand because there is far less information and it is far less spoken about.

I would really like to be able to understand it like I do Hillsborough.

If it was the fault of the LFC contingent, then could the poor state of the stadium really be to blame, or would fans have simply been wounded/fatally hurt from crowd crush rather than a falling wall.

Not sure if this is the right place to be asking all this, but I would really appreciate any info you guys have. I really want to know everything there is to know about my club, even if it is as harrowing as this.

Its a myth that those responsible for the deaths at Heysel where from other English club firms

I think the vast bulk of those that were charged where LFC fans from Liverpool

Some LFC fans must take the blame for the tragedy, yes the stadium was rundown and that contributed to the fatalities but a lot of the blame rests squarely on the shoulders of the fans that rioted that day

[Tee]

I was only a kid and I remember the night of Heysel. Me and my brother had our chairs ready in front of the telly and I had my Liverpool kit on, excited about what was to unfold on the pitch. Expecting another big European Cup win for the reds.

It was the night we had a solar or lunar eclipse IIRC and when the programme started I remember Jimmy Hill's stern face reporting the sad news.....I went out in the garden in tears and sat out in the lawn trying to see the eclipse.

The game eventually started - it should never have been played. All I remember from the game was the dodgy penalty given to Juve.

Don't know much about the causes and blame for the rioting but what I now know is that the stadium was never ever fit for purpose. Shocking how it was appointed for such a prestigious game.

[Shaggy]

I was only a kid and I remember the night of Heysel. Me and my brother had our chairs ready in front of the telly and I had my Liverpool kit on, excited about what was to unfold on the pitch. Expecting another big European Cup win for the reds.

It was the night we had a solar or lunar eclipse IIRC and when the programme started I remember Jimmy Hill's stern face reporting the sad news.....I went out in the garden in tears and sat out in the lawn trying to see the eclipse.

The game eventually started - it should never have been played. All I remember from the game was the dodgy penalty given to Juve.

Don't know much about the causes and blame for the rioting but what I now know is that the stadium was never ever fit for purpose. Shocking how it was appointed for such a prestigious game.

Almost identical memories, minus the eclipse stuff. I also remember Phil Neal addressing the crowd through the PA.

[Tee]

Almost identical memories, minus the eclipse stuff. I also remember Phil Neal addressing the crowd through the PA.

I may be wrong on that, but somehow it just always links in with that night (in my mind anyway). We also wore Adidas kits for the very first time that night IIRC.

As I said before, UEFA should never have allowed the game to go ahead.

[Shaggy]

SCATTERED ROGUE VOICES SHOULD NOT HIDE THE LEVEL OF SOLIDARITY OVER HILLSBOROUGH

by Tony Evans // 17 September 2012 // 5 Comments


ON Sunday, Manchester United go to Anfield for Liverpool’s first home game since the Hillsborough Independent Panel’s devastating findings. The report shocked a Prime Minister and most of the nation. It looks like one of those unhappy quirks of fate that the Kop’s most bitter rivals will be in town on what will be an extremely emotional occasion at Anfield.

After all, a section of United fans sang songs aimed at Liverpool on Saturday. The Merseyside club was the focus of the Stretford End’s disdain, even though United were playing Wigan Athletic.

The words, “Always the victim, it’s never your fault,” are a snide reference to Liverpool supporters’ role in the 1989 disaster, coated with the flimsiest veneer of deniability. Claims that the lyrics refer specifically to the Luis Suárez-Patrice Evra affair are disingenuous. It has caused concern that Liverpool’s tribute to the families who fought relentlessly for justice for 23 years will be upstaged by bile-filled nastiness emanating from the away support.

There were similar fears when Manchester City went to Old Trafford on the day United commemorated the 50th anniversary of the Munich air disaster four years ago. They proved completely unfounded. City supporters observed the silence impeccably. And United fans will show the same decency.

The overwhelming majority of football supporters value their humanity over sectarian point-scoring at the expense of the dead. To believe that the noisy minority is anywhere close to being representative of fandom at large is to fall into the same trap as South Yorkshire Police.

Some people were asking why the United fans singing on Saturday were not identified by CCTV, ejected and banned from the stadium. It is dangerous territory. On what basis, would such actions be justified? On this occasion, the chants were ambiguous enough to provide a legal line of defence.

Yes, some supporters look and act like brutish members of the underclass. But making assumptions is dangerous. Let’s remember that the people responsible for the Hillsborough disaster were not the sort of people you would cross the road to avoid. On the contrary, they were men of status, wealth and power. They covered up their own culpability and their influence allowed them to evade their responsibilities for 23 years until the truth finally caught up with them.

They had little or no respect for football fans. They would expect United supporters to misbehave at Anfield. They would plan for it and imagine no other possible outcome. They would criminalise them in advance.

They should have been at a Hillsborough Justice Campaign fundraiser in London on Saturday night. They would have met United fans, seen that a City fan sent memorabilia to raffle and encountered supporters of a dozen clubs.

Most people who go to matches understand the enormity of Hillsborough, United fans more than most. They were beaten by Nottingham Forest in the FA Cup quarter-final in 1989 and it does not take too much of a leap of imagination for older supporters to envisage a series of results that might have put them in the semi-final, and in the Leppings Lane end.

The hierarchy at United understands this, too. It is keen to make a gesture of solidarity with the families and it is not beyond possibility that a United shirt will carry a tribute to the 96. A few rogue voices at Old Trafford on Saturday should not obscure the level of solidarity between the clubs on this.

Every club is followed by a small number of unpalatable people. There have even been Liverpool fans who saw nothing incongruous about singing songs lauding Harold Shipman — “the man who’s killing the Mancs” — while wearing Hillsborough Justice Campaign badges. Just about every club have this sort of element.

They are mostly young, immature and desperate to show off. Most of them grow up and do no lasting damage.

Yet using the lowest common denominator to formulate policy about how to deal with fans is what happened in the 1980s. It created the environment where police jumped to the wrong conclusions with fatal consequences. We must never let that happen again.

If the price to pay is a few nasty songs, we can live with it with a wince. After all, 96 people paid the ultimate price because a police force was more concerned about hooliganism than their safety.

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Any chance for more?

Tony Evans book Far Foreign Land is about travelling by train to Istanbul in 05 and has large parts about Heysel.

Its a good read.

[Fivex]

^ Good article that from Tony Evans, thanks for posting Shaggy.

Puts his point across at the end very well about not stereotyping everyone based upon the actions of these scumbags.

[Leyton388]

Anyone just saw the ITV news?

Had an Officer on who was there on the day and he has found his statement he made and said he is shocked about what has been removed. Everything he said about SYP being short on the ground was taken out. Said he was told NOT TO write anything down in his notepad.

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Gabriele Marcotti @Marcotti
Checked with Naples. Fedayn Ultras confirm their banner expression of solidarity with H'boro victims + families.

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@TonyBarretTimes
A very poignant banner being flown at Goodison Park tonight

[Eric Swindler]

The general solidarity between fans on this issue has been great to be honest.

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Tony Pulis takes a poster at Goodison which are being handed out to Everton fans

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2 youngsters Everton will use today as mascots for Everton vs NUFC