Dejan Lovren

[DannyMan2006]

I hope we don't see Gerrard in an advanced role again that role in the team is over for him imo

I'm not so sure. Was just as much a team issue as a Gerrard issue.

I'd be willing to give it another go. Here's why.

Teams will press us like crazy for the first 45 and they generally then tire out. Let someone younger take the brunt of it in front of the back 4, someone with a bit more mobility and ability to shake off some challenges. Should generally mean Gerrard gets more space and able to do his thing.

Come the second half, teams drop the high intensity through tiredness and press far less. At this point bring Stevie in and allow to us take advantage of this. Should work well.

The biggest issue we have at present is dealing with a teams first half press. Now ideally our players would be more on it and know what each others doing, thus allowing us to pass faster and crisper and therefore negate the effect of a high press. Generally come Xmas we'll likely be able to deal much better, and as I've alluded too already in this thread, the pace of Sturridge will also help. Until then, we need a solution. I think Rodgers understands this and is desperate to find a solution.

But for all mine and other posters criticisms, the issue v QPR was that we had nobody in the team who could sit in front of the back 4 and replicate what Gerrard does, take the ball and get us moving up the pitch. And for all the praise Emre Can received on Twitter prior to the QPR game, how he's a DM and much better than Gerrard - He was worse on the ball, but also worse off the ball and hardly had a kick.

So we do a full circle - is it that Gerrard isn't good enough, or is it that the system is failing?

[Lecter]

I honestly think we could have Terry & Cahill or Kompany & Demichellis in the centre of our defence and we'd look no better.

We wouldn't concede anywhere near as many goals from set pieces with either of those partnerships.

In general play I still think many of the goals have been preventable by basic good defensive unit play. Carragher and Neville have been at constant pains regarding the positioning of our defenders when analysing the goals we concede be it from general play or set pieces

[Gibbo]

Did Lyon fans think he was rubbish before he went to Southampton and were chuffed they got as much as they did for him or did I imagine that?

I'm sure I remember someone saying that on here before he came.

[Pablo]

Did Lyon fans think he was rubbish before he went to Southampton and were chuffed they got as much as they did for him or did I imagine that?

I'm sure I remember someone saying that on here before he came.

I remember reading that. Loads of them were delighted he was leaving.

I also remember seeing YouTube compilations of his before he moved to Southampton where he looked like an absolutely disaster, slow, error prone and always out of position.

Figures.

[Tee]

But he genuinely did look so good v Dortmund in pre-season!

[souliv]

He was woeful tonight, i have no idea who scouted him because he is utter ****e, better than Agger you are joking. Sakho has to come in once fit

[Gibbo]

Sahko is fit

[Daniel 7]

Sakho has to come in, surely. I'm not sure about Sakho, but completely sure that the form Lovren is in deserves a benching. He just couldn't be any worse!

[Tee]

He was woeful tonight, i have no idea who scouted him because he is utter ****e, better than Agger you are joking. Sakho has to come in once fit

We really miss Agger.

[Daniel 7]

Sahko is fit

[Shaggy]

People will say "it's early days" and it is but the guy's a ****ing disaster and he needs taking out of the team. Can't carry him like this and just hope he gets better. He's ****. Sakho needs to come in but he'll be alongside Skrtel, who is also ****. And Kolo's **** as well. Bit of a nightmare really.

[danperkins]

Lovren is so bad he makes Skrtel look like Franco Baresi. We have a shocking defence no matter who we put in.

[Tee]

Reckon we may need to spend around 60 mill to sort this **** out.

[Le Chef]

People will say "it's early days" and it is but the guy's a ****ing disaster and he needs taking out of the team. Can't carry him like this and just hope he gets better. He's ****. Sakho needs to come in but he'll be alongside Skrtel, who is also ****. And Kolo's **** as well. Bit of a nightmare really.

Hmmm that's a bit ****ed up then !

[Phoenix07]

People will say "it's early days" and it is but the guy's a ****ing disaster and he needs taking out of the team. Can't carry him like this and just hope he gets better. He's ****. Sakho needs to come in but he'll be alongside Skrtel, who is also ****. And Kolo's **** as well. Bit of a nightmare really.

Someone said we've got a team full of thick defenders. It's so true. There's no leader or game intelligence in there.

Jose Mourinho likes his nutcase defenders who go flying in for headers, but they have brains to know where to be on the pitch, and how to manage themselves and the team in certain situations. We could do with two composed defenders at the very least to counteract the predicament we find ourselves in.