Originally posted by meffin
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Flanno will be eased back and rightly so but Smith surely cannot do any worse defensively and has much superior delivery than Moreno. Do it!Comment
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Smith is who I'd put on the left. Need Flannagan on the right. Tired on Clynes ****. Moreno needs to be turned into a wide player. Loves to attack but if needed can track back fast and do some awesome tackles. Would fit just fine there.Comment
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What has Clyne done wrong?Originally posted by fah-qComment
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Played.Originally posted by meffin View Post
To be a good FB at Liverpool it seems you have to not play. Actually, that can be said of most positions, best thing you can do to enhance your reputation is to get injured and not play.If we are all only happy when we are really winning in the end, when your race finishes, what life would that be?Comment
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His crossing and link up play during attacks are worthless majority of the time. And honestly hes nothing special as a defender, just competent.Originally posted by meffin View PostComment
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Albert had a couple of games a few weeks back (think one was Europa) where he actually gave a reasonable impression of a defender and I thought he'd started to develop that part of his game.
I was wrong.Comment
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Nice lad, absolutely ****e defender and I would not be surprised to see him return to La Liga next season. We need much better than what he has been able to offer."Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob PaisleyComment
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Being competent is just so much better than we are used to over recent yearsOriginally posted by vlahka View Post
I like him though, he's solid, I think we need to improve other positions first.
* The above is posted in my opinion. Feel free to disagree.Comment
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Clyne is decent enough as a defender and certainly better than Moreno, unfortunately when we ask him do more than that, he's pretty poor. At least he can do one thing effectively enough.
I'm of the old skool thinking that a defender must be able to defend first and foremost, everything after that is a bonus. Clyne switches off on times but is a decent defender, his attacking side of the game though is not great and alot of attacks break down from the wide areas because of him and Moreno. Gets up the line and into great positions like Moreno, but their crossing is terrible. Because of our formation IMO our fullbacks are told to get high up, as we have **** all width. The problem for me, is that first of all neither Clyne nor Moreno can cross a ball & secondly... they tend to get caught up field a few times in every single game we play.
I would like us to play a diamond with 2 up top. Use Clyne & Flanno as fullbacks and Firmino to play off Big Ben/Sturridge. At least that way we can be more solid at the back, have width in the wide areas without comprising the defence & sure we'll have 2 strikers to aim for in the box.
This was my first post in the Moreno thread. Watched him alot of Sevilla and was never impressed. IMO the premier league has made him look even worse but as regards the fundamentals, he seems to do doing exactly the same things he was doing in La Liga. We need better defensively, that LB position has been a bone of contention for such a long time.... ****ing irritating.Moreno is an interesting signing..if it happens. been lot of talk about him in Spain, especially over the last year. I wasn't really as impressed with him last season as others were. Technically good, quick and very aggressive but also bit rash, goes to ground way too much, can be naive defensively.
He is young& has all the tools there with the right coaching but i would worry about him in his first season. He will get tested aerially in the premier league & it's a big weakness in his game... also with the speed and tempo of the league he needs to stop going to ground as much.
Reading back it seems like a very negative post, i don't mean it to be. IMO i just wouldn't put all our hopes in him this season to fix our LB issue. In saying that, I reckon he'll get a lot more support & cover playing in our side... as oppose to Sevilla. Our work rate & stamina would be a hell of a lot higher than Sevilla.
Anyways if he signs, which i hope he does i reckon he'll should be eased into the side. I know we are struggling for quality options at LB but i wouldn't start him at Southampton.. it's way too soon IMO.Last edited by danperkins; 24-01-16, 12:10 PM.Comment
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How old is Moreno? 23? I think he is still youngish for a defender and could progress. I think a big issue for us defensively is the lack of structure which exacerbates the risks taken by attacking fullbacks.
Against Norwich you could see Toure yelling at the fullbacks to hold back when we were 4-3 up. Not sure how much is managerial instruction and how much is natural inclination but Moreno often seems to be dashing back to make recovery tackles."The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
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Yes, a well understood defensive rigour would help his wild exuberance. Our general struggling to get shape at the back isn't really helping him. Yesterday was mental though, real rush of blood stuff.Originally posted by dww View PostExperimental music, Metropolitan foodstuffs, Mexican wrestler art, London suburbia, wry whimsy, fansy pants flim flam ladComment
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Definitely IMO our fullbacks are asked to push on, as they our the only width in our current setup & that does seem to make us susceptible defensively. Moreno IMO is a headless chicken, everything about his game is full tilt & rush of blood. There is no calm and thought in his game, he is rash and alot of the times brainless.
If we used him in only an attacking capacity I would be happier, although he can't cross the ball to save his life but at least he has pace and gets in good positions. Defensively though he is a liability and has been individually at fault for dozens of goals since arriving here.
Much rather have Flanno there defensively and he does get up and down the pitch and maybe time to give Smith a go at some stage, at least Smith's crossing is excellent. The whole defensive shape is an issue but Moreno is a big part of the weakness too IMO.Comment
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And yet commentators keep rolling out a stat that Morono has created more chances than any other player in the premiership this season.
I can barely remember any.
I love his enthusiasm and his pace is fantastic but can't defend and as far as I can see no end product.
Time for Smith or Flanno.Comment
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