Does Rodgers deserve another season?

[Cormack74]

I'm certain that FSG will give him another year but I'm equally certain that they don't want to give him much in the way of funds.

So we'll tread water and finish somewhere similar next season at which point they will realize that it would have made more sense if they hadn't waited another 12 months to say their goodbyes.

[Leyton388]

It's twice we've asked the question seriously this year. B-dawg turned it round briefly with a 'hail Mary' tactical move and a few players filling in out of position but even then there were some dodgy performances (Southampton away springs to mind). I don't recall such an air of defeatism in all my time as a LFC supporter, at least with Roy we were raging with each other. There just seems to be an acceptance now that we are second tier, mediocrity lies down this road so for me we need new impetus. Certainly at most other top club in Europe he'd be getting sacked now, they wouldn't even give a ****, and there feels like a certain inevitability to it here. If I could see even the merest signs of life is give him more time, but we are flat lining. Losing home and away to palace, losing to Hull, losing semi finals to Villa, being so abject in Europe. Take the emotion out of it and he gets the boot every day off the week.

Anyway, I don't like hearing excuses and I don't believe in going down with out a fight. There has been evidence of both. It's been a roller coaster Brendan, and as a coach you are not without ability.

But, I'm sorry to have to say this.

You're fired.

[G]

It's twice we've asked the question seriously this year. B-dawg turned it round briefly with a 'hail Mary' tactical move and a few players filling in out of position but even then there were some dodgy performances (Southampton away springs to mind). I don't recall such an air of defeatism in all my time as a LFC supporter, at least with Roy we were raging with each other. There just seems to be an acceptance now that we are second tier, mediocrity lies down this road so for me we need new impetus. Certainly at most other top club in Europe he'd be getting sacked now, they wouldn't even give a ****, and there feels like a certain inevitability to it here. If I could see even the merest signs of life is give him more time, but we are flat lining. Losing home and away to palace, losing to Hull, losing semi finals to Villa, being so abject in Europe. Take the emotion out of it and he gets the boot every day off the week.

Anyway, I don't like hearing excuses and I don't believe in going down with out a fight. There has been evidence of both. It's been a roller coaster Brendan, and as a coach you are not without ability.

But, I'm sorry to have to say this.

You're fired.

Amen to that, especially about the acceptance of where we are leading to mediocrity.

[danperkins]

It's twice we've asked the question seriously this year. B-dawg turned it round briefly with a 'hail Mary' tactical move and a few players filling in out of position but even then there were some dodgy performances (Southampton away springs to mind). I don't recall such an air of defeatism in all my time as a LFC supporter, at least with Roy we were raging with each other. There just seems to be an acceptance now that we are second tier, mediocrity lies down this road so for me we need new impetus. Certainly at most other top club in Europe he'd be getting sacked now, they wouldn't even give a ****, and there feels like a certain inevitability to it here. If I could see even the merest signs of life is give him more time, but we are flat lining. Losing home and away to palace, losing to Hull, losing semi finals to Villa, being so abject in Europe. Take the emotion out of it and he gets the boot every day off the week.

Anyway, I don't like hearing excuses and I don't believe in going down with out a fight. There has been evidence of both. It's been a roller coaster Brendan, and as a coach you are not without ability.

But, I'm sorry to have to say this.

You're fired.

agree with all of this.

[wiw]

I voted 'Undecided' but finding it hard to disagree with anything Buzzo said there.

[Leyton388]

This so called belief of us being second tier is truly depressing and it does appear to be creeping into the mentality of the club all be it from a fan pov We are one of the biggest and richest clubs in world football and if you look at the top 10 richest clubs we are the only one in the top 10 without regular CL football and that speaks volumes of the status of this club.

This club should be where Bayern , Real, Barca, United are but poor decisions over the past 20 years have been our undoing.

I'm starting to become more convinced that FSG won't allow Rodgers to spend big again.

[MrMichael]

Amen to that, especially about the acceptance of where we are leading to mediocrity.

See personally I don't see this.

When Rodgers took over we were what, 8th? First season was a bit rocky but last year we flew, far further and faster than any of us thought possible even with a genius like Suarez in the team. Sure this year we have sunk back a bit and really do need to regroup and rethink, however I for one absolutely do not accept that we are mediocre or that we will ever become so.

I do believe that, as we do not have quite the resources of the 4 teams above us in the league, we need to build in a slightly different way and will have to be smarter if we can't be richer, but this club is not West Brom or Stoke and we really aren't in any danger of becoming so. Some of our fans seem to have become somewhat blinded by immediacy; one setback and the sky has fallen right in. It was always going to be possible, probable even that we'd have a settling season after the highs of last year & selling Suarez and potentially miss out on top 4. So we pick ourselves up and go again, hopefully stronger and wiser than the last time. That isn't about acceptance, it is about realism and taking a longer view of progress for me.

[Buzzo]

I can see the arguements for Ridgers staying also. But it has been an end of a season that we had a lot to play for, and again we leave empty handed. We should be at least playing for 4th, (2 months ago Brendan had an eye on second). It's these flaws that he can't fix. Finishing the job, and getting us across the line. I only see failures.

I mean take losing to Villa, ok we always make hard work of an easy semi () or final. But typically we win them, and it's here that I think Brendan lacks a. Experience, and b. The ability to command his squad, when times are tough. His positive stroking managerial approach is not always going to work. All this 'he's a better man than he is player' ****e. You need to keep a certain distance to manage, and you need the space to enable yourself to read the riot act.

I don't think Brendan has the tools yet.

Its a massive decision, but I suspect it is one that needs made, either way. Brendan needs to convince that he is the man for the job. He seems far too casual about recent weeks.

[Leyton388]

God I'd blocked that Villa Semi final out of my mind. Depressing. I don't mind losing semi finals or finals but I expect us to go down fighting rather than with a whimper.

[Alex]

Can anyone guess what I voted

Unsure as I couldnt see a '**** the ECB option'

[Buzzo]

See personally I don't see this.

When Rodgers took over we were what, 8th? First season was a bit rocky but last year we flew, far further and faster than any of us thought possible even with a genius like Suarez in the team. Sure this year we have sunk back a bit and really do need to regroup and rethink, however I for one absolutely do not accept that we are mediocre or that we will ever become so.

I do believe that, as we do not have quite the resources of the 4 teams above us in the league, we need to build in a slightly different way and will have to be smarter if we can't be richer, but this club is not West Brom or Stoke and we really aren't in any danger of becoming so. Some of our fans seem to have become somewhat blinded by immediacy; one setback and the sky has fallen right in. It was always going to be possible, probable even that we'd have a settling season after the highs of last year & selling Suarez and potentially miss out on top 4. So we pick ourselves up and go again, hopefully stronger and wiser than the last time. That isn't about acceptance, it is about realism and taking a longer view of progress for me.

I agree with the principal of the way we need to head forward, the thing is to take this approach you need to be convinced we are making overall progress, and I don't see that. I personally, don't require instant success. I require evidence of progress. That's where Brendan would need to convince me if I were FSG. I think top 4 was a minimum requirement, and to miss out would be bad enough, but to miss out so emphatically, so cluelessly, that's the kicker for me.

[G]

See personally I don't see this.

When Rodgers took over we were what, 8th? First season was a bit rocky but last year we flew, far further and faster than any of us thought possible even with a genius like Suarez in the team. Sure this year we have sunk back a bit and really do need to regroup and rethink, however I for one absolutely do not accept that we are mediocre or that we will ever become so.

I do believe that, as we do not have quite the resources of the 4 teams above us in the league, we need to build in a slightly different way and will have to be smarter if we can't be richer, but this club is not West Brom or Stoke and we really aren't in any danger of becoming so. Some of our fans seem to have become somewhat blinded by immediacy; one setback and the sky has fallen right in. It was always going to be possible, probable even that we'd have a settling season after the highs of last year & selling Suarez and potentially miss out on top 4. So we pick ourselves up and go again, hopefully stronger and wiser than the last time. That isn't about acceptance, it is about realism and taking a longer view of progress for me.

We've shown no signs of being smarter. We try to look it with our approach to players we target but we never get the best ones signed and the youngs with potential are just that. Even with Suarez gone, if we'd spent correctly we'd have walked top 4 this season. The owners transfer restrictions means we are hampered in this area. The club legend who's leaving said as much. Even with the **** summer we still could have got 4th as United did their best to **** it up yet the manager and players had either thrown in the towel or were completely out of idea's and let them off the hook.

Building slowly while the richer clubs move further and further away doesn't seem a much of a plan to me. Maybe we have no other option, doesn't mean we have to be happy about it. They are still allowed put money in under FFP, up to €45m over 3 years. Do they do that? Genuine question. Every little helps.

An ex club employee contributes to another forum and has hinted with subtlety that he thinks the suits running the club are in it for themselves, loving the fame of it all etc.

[G]

God I'd blocked that Villa Semi final out of my mind. Depressing. I don't mind losing semi finals or finals but I expect us to go down fighting rather than with a whimper.

4 fouls in the whole game. No wonder we are top of the fair play league.

[Liverpool]

God I'd blocked that Villa Semi final out of my mind. Depressing. I don't mind losing semi finals or finals but I expect us to go down fighting rather than with a whimper.

That was the day the fans turned against him, you could literally feel it happen as the game wore on.

[Kenneth]

See personally I don't see this.

When Rodgers took over we were what, 8th? First season was a bit rocky but last year we flew, far further and faster than any of us thought possible even with a genius like Suarez in the team. Sure this year we have sunk back a bit and really do need to regroup and rethink, however I for one absolutely do not accept that we are mediocre or that we will ever become so.

I do believe that, as we do not have quite the resources of the 4 teams above us in the league, we need to build in a slightly different way and will have to be smarter if we can't be richer, but this club is not West Brom or Stoke and we really aren't in any danger of becoming so. Some of our fans seem to have become somewhat blinded by immediacy; one setback and the sky has fallen right in. It was always going to be possible, probable even that we'd have a settling season after the highs of last year & selling Suarez and potentially miss out on top 4. So we pick ourselves up and go again, hopefully stronger and wiser than the last time. That isn't about acceptance, it is about realism and taking a longer view of progress for me.

I have sympathy with your view, but as the season comes to an end things are getting worse not better and we are miles away from having bedded in our summer signings and I'm not sure we want to. All of the 'spine' positions are a real problem for us and the football has been dire for the majority of the season and now we have no captain. There is no gradual progress, rather regression at great expense. We Gerrard leaving and a number of major signings needed, now is the right time to let him go. The smarter way of working needs someone in charge who has actually proven themselves to be smart imo.

I agree with the principal of the way we need to head forward, the thing is to take this approach you need to be convinced we are making overall progress, and I don't see that. I personally, don't require instant success. I require evidence of progress. That's where Brendan would need to convince me if I were FSG. I think top 4 was a minimum requirement, and to miss out would be bad enough, but to miss out so emphatically, so cluelessly, that's the kicker for me.