Danny Ings

[Doc_Piptorious]

Why has it taken so long? I had assumed that this would have been sorted in the summer, it doesn't really seem fair to Burnley as the selling club - they have lost one of their best players in the summer, but are yet to receive the fee which they could use to replace him, it could ruin their season.

They were losing him regardless as he had let his contract run out. The reason we are paying a fee is down to his age and if he had been an older player leaving under the same circumstances then Burnley would be getting nowt.

[SB]

They were losing him regardless as he had let his contract run out. The reason we are paying a fee is down to his age and if he had been an older player leaving under the same circumstances then Burnley would be getting nowt.

I think the point he's making is that they still don't have any money to reinvest in their side. £5-6m would have been handy when the TW was open to reinvest in their squad.

[Alex]

Weird that it is allowed to take this long for the tribunal to take place for this sort of reason, nobody normally gets to judge a transfer fee with knowledge of the future. Ings' tribunal fee should only be based on what was reasonable for him to cost at the time his registration passed to us.

If he'd been **** for us so far, or injured, could we now argue for a lower price?

Fwiw I still think whatever they come back with will be below his market value in a year or two, one of the safer investments we've made in the last season or two, not that there's much challenge there

I'd assume that his tribunal fee would have certain caveats, like a senior England debut.

So I think its less about what's happening to him now, but the potential for his future.

[Exiled_red]

They were losing him regardless as he had let his contract run out. The reason we are paying a fee is down to his age and if he had been an older player leaving under the same circumstances then Burnley would be getting nowt.

Yeah but they know that they were going to get a fee before they let his contract run down, but they still haven't got the cash to reinvest, it seems a little harsh to me and I would have thought that they would have sorted it before now.

[Exiled_red]

I think the point he's making is that they still don't have any money to reinvest in their side. £5-6m would have been handy when the TW was open to reinvest in their squad.

[dww]

Yeah but they know that they were going to get a fee before they let his contract run down, but they still haven't got the cash to reinvest, it seems a little harsh to me and I would have thought that they would have sorted it before now.

I guess the point is that if we offered even somewhat reasonable compensation and they decided to turn it down then it is their choice. The tribunal system is not designed to actually protect smaller clubs from player predation, merely to prevent them stopping trying to generate young players after all. Are we sure we didn't have to pay whatever it was we offered any way (with the assumption being that the tribunal will only ever increase that fee)?

[redmike65]

The tribunal fee is supposed to be set as of the end of his contract and nothing since then is relevant.

[The_weatherman]

The tribunal fee is supposed to be set as of the end of his contract and nothing since then is relevant.

I'd have thought so too, even if he goes and scores a hattrick for England now, surely that can't be a factor in valuing him when the transfer took place. They can only base the value on what was known then and how he was.

[Alex]

Fee hasn't been decided yet, its due in the next month or 2. So all of this features in determining his value.

There has been a fair few articles on it that ive seen.

[Exiled_red]

I guess the point is that if we offered even somewhat reasonable compensation and they decided to turn it down then it is their choice. The tribunal system is not designed to actually protect smaller clubs from player predation, merely to prevent them stopping trying to generate young players after all. Are we sure we didn't have to pay whatever it was we offered any way (with the assumption being that the tribunal will only ever increase that fee)?

I know that the system isn't designed to protect clubs, but I would have thought that it should be sorted out before the new season starts for everyones benefit. Regarding fee presumably we will end up paying at least what we offered them before as that is at least what we would have valued him at at the time, presumably Burnley valued him higher so someone supposedly independent will determine the real value. Leaving it this long presumably opens up the the panel to accusations of judging him on how he performs for us rather than how he performed for Burnley which is not fair, which is another reason I find it odd the figure hasn't been decided before now.

[The_weatherman]

Fee hasn't been decided yet, its due in the next month or 2. So all of this features in determining his value.

There has been a fair few articles on it that ive seen.

So it's in the sellers best interest that the decision drags on, that's ridiculous.

[DannyMan2006]

I'd have thought so too, even if he goes and scores a hattrick for England now, surely that can't be a factor in valuing him when the transfer took place. They can only base the value on what was known then and how he was.

Correct.

However, what has happened since will strengthen their case when they say he had plenty of potential. Had he flopped, it would have been weakened.

Rightly or wrongly, him doing well since his move will have upped his value. Tbh, I think Danny coming here and doing well benefits everyone. They get a higher fee and we actually get a player worth having.

Let's see how he features under Klopp.

[DannyMan2006]

Fee hasn't been decided yet, its due in the next month or 2. So all of this features in determining his value.

There has been a fair few articles on it that ive seen.

His performances since should not have effected the value. However, we'd have to be living in cloud cuckoo land to think it wouldn't be taken into account.

[DannyMan2006]

Yeah but they know that they were going to get a fee before they let his contract run down, but they still haven't got the cash to reinvest, it seems a little harsh to me and I would have thought that they would have sorted it before now.

They had plenty of cash from the parachute payments that they could've spent if they had wanted too

It hasn't effected their planning in anyway.

[Bender]

For ****s sake
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