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    #1

    I'm still inclined to blame it on money - hear me out...

    I'm not talking about having some Abramovich-esque "sugar daddy", but a board that will put enough money in so that the manager (a truly world class manager I might add) can buy 3 or 4 players that we truly need. The existing board seem to offer about 75% of the required amount meaning that we either neglect a position completely, or we spend less/compromise on other signings/positions. Inevitably, history has shown that this means we end of increasing the size of our squad but the quality doesn't improve sufficiently enough to compete for the title.

    Anyone disagaree so far? then read on...

    Think about some major recent-ish signings....Heskey 10m, Diouf 12m, Cisse 14m, Diao 4.5m, Biscan 5.5m, Pennant 7m, Bellamy 6m, Gonzalez 4m, Leonhardsen 3.5m, Macateer 3.5m, cheyrou 4m, baros 4.5m..

    That's around 80m pounds worth of "talent" and what did they bring to the club? I wonder if the board had a bit more bottle/commitment and allowed the manager more freedom to spend his budget then things might be different. Are 20 average players better than 6 top quality ones? Of course, I'm pushing blame away from the managers towards the board to reach these conclusions. Can anyone blame me though? The one thing that has remained consistent in our under-achieving for nearly 20 years, whilst managers have come and gone, is..............the board!

    Example: would we be in a better position if we'd bought Simao or Alves, instead of Pennant & Bellamy? Of course, we have to safeguard against injuries and suspensions, but surely the priority is strengthening the FIRST TEAM, and then the squad - not the other way round!??!?!
    In summary, this is where we're possibly going wrong - buying too many average players to provide cover, just in case we get plagued with injuries. This isn't working and it never has - a collective effort is required: the manager needs to determine a first XI, hightlight the players required to improve it, and then the board must sanction it where possible. THEN, and only then, must we think about alternatives as cover. At present, our purchasing policy seems to favour our rivals. If it continues, we will only win the league if THEY suffer unmanageable injuries/suspensions. Rant over - the alcohol is hindering my typing skills. Hope my point is coming across!

    Food for thought.....?
    Last edited by carheex; 19-11-06, 01:28 AM.
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    #2
    Originally posted by carheex
    I'm not talking about having some Abramovich-esque "sugar daddy", but a board that will put enough money in so that the manager (a truly world class manager I might add) can buy 3 or 4 players that we truly need. The existing board seem to offer about 75% of the required amount meaning that we either neglect a position completely, or we spend less/compromise on other signings/positions. Inevitably, history has shown that this means we end of increasing the size of our squad but the quality doesn't improve sufficiently enough to compete for the title.

    Anyone disgaree?
    nope made a post about this yesterday I don't see why Moores can't hand over 20mil or so to add to the transfer kitty one year to give us a bit of room to manouver. Once we have the basis of a good squad, it's easy to just buy 1 or 2 players a season then, but we need to get there in the first place.
    Thomas Hicks Senior

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      #3
      We need to buy quality, that is clear, but is it the fault of the board or Rafa. We've all read how it's not Rafa's style to buy expensive stars. There is nothing but "whispers and rumours" to suggest Rafa hasn't been given all the money he's wanted.
      He's not penny-pinched, he has spent A LOT of money.
      Originally posted by Gordon Brown
      (1995)
      "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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        #4
        This has been a problem. We have a kitty of £20million or so but its needed for 5 or 6 players. As a result, we get a mixed bag of players being a couple of freebies, a few players costing a few million and maybe 1 or 2 players costing over £5million or so.

        We have never gone out and bought a couple of quality players and had done with it. I'd have preferred buying for example Kuyt and Alves only in the summer instead of going getting Aurelio, Pennant and one of Bellamy or Paletta which would have meant we would have more quality instead of more options.

        I don't think under this board we will ever go out and spend the cash like this though sadly. We really need some changes at boardroom level.
        Twin boys - now arriving late August 2008.

        Its gonna be Fernando and Gerrard if I get my way!

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          #5
          Originally posted by Red Chilli
          We need to buy quality, that is clear, but is it the fault of the board or Rafa. We've all read how it's not Rafa's style to buy expensive stars. There is nothing but "whispers and rumours" to suggest Rafa hasn't been given all the money he's wanted.
          He's not penny-pinched, he has spent A LOT of money.
          A certain Noel White, aluded to the fact that they couldn't give him the money, so it;s not exactly whispers
          Thomas Hicks Senior

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            #6
            Originally posted by Morphorino
            A certain Noel White, aluded to the fact that they couldn't give him the money, so it;s not exactly whispers
            Yes but he retracted that statement.
            Originally posted by Gordon Brown
            (1995)
            "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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              #7
              Originally posted by Red Chilli
              Yes but he retracted that statement.

              LOL - that proves he obviously never meant it!!!!!

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                #8
                Originally posted by Red Chilli
                Yes but he retracted that statement.
                So that makes it not true?
                Thomas Hicks Senior

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Morphorino
                  So that makes it not true?
                  No, but it certainly doesn't make it true either. FFS until Rafa comes out and says he's not happy with the support he's had from the board I am not going to jump to conclusions like the rest of you. I take it you've read a season on the brink. i take it you've read the piece about the type of signings Rafa likes to make? If you haven't then maybe you should pick up a copy.
                  Originally posted by Gordon Brown
                  (1995)
                  "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Red Chilli
                    No, but it certainly doesn't make it true either. FFS until Rafa comes out and says he's not happy with the support he's had from the board I am not going to jump to conclusions like the rest of you. I take it you've read a season on the brink. i take it you've read the piece about the type of signings Rafa likes to make? If you haven't then maybe you should pick up a copy.

                    I'd be interested to read any article where Rafa states/describes the type of signings he makes/would like to make. If the article is by someone else...it don't mean ****..it's just their opinion or is based on previous financial restriction/coinicidences. Are you telling me, money not being an object, Rafa would have chosen Craig Bellamy over Fernando Torres/David Villa? If Rafa has gone on record and said this (like you are insinuating), then I'll be passing round the petition demanding his resignation - if that fails, I'll get him sectioned!

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                      #11
                      carheex, you are the one making the assumptions based on nothing. All I am saying is I am keeping an open mind about why Rafa hasn't bought the right players. It's too easy to blame the board. No-one put a gun to Rafa's head and said "You must buy Pennant and Bellamy".
                      Originally posted by Gordon Brown
                      (1995)
                      "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Red Chilli
                        No, but it certainly doesn't make it true either. FFS until Rafa comes out and says he's not happy with the support he's had from the board I am not going to jump to conclusions like the rest of you. I take it you've read a season on the brink. i take it you've read the piece about the type of signings Rafa likes to make? If you haven't then maybe you should pick up a copy.
                        Look mate, we debate this as much as you like - noel whites comments were in the paper, wether he retracted them or not doesn't make a blind bit of difference. We can't give him enough cash and it's as simple as that.
                        Thomas Hicks Senior

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Morphorino
                          Look mate, we debate this as much as you like - noel whites comments were in the paper, wether he retracted them or not doesn't make a blind bit of difference. We can't give him enough cash and it's as simple as that.
                          Well I don't believe anything I read in the papers.
                          Originally posted by Gordon Brown
                          (1995)
                          "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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                            #14
                            Sorry mate, no offence intended. I was using historical patterns, current activity and logical forecasting to come to my conclusions. I've already stated that it's just my assumptions - that doesn't mean they aren't true though. It just helps me to explain why LFC have been hell bent on focussing on strength in depth as opposed a strong first XI. As I mentioned, that seems to have been the policy for the last 3 managers - surely they can't all have got it so wrong. The one consistency has been the board.......it doesn't take a genius to work out the how the club's spending is governed and maybe the changes need to happen elsewhere other than club manager. Despite his faults, I think Rafa is by far the best manager we've had since Paisley but he won't succeed if, as I suspect, he's limited to the amount he spends on a single player, as the board are too cautious. Yes, they'll give him £30m-£40m but that must be for 6 or 7 players, not 1 or 2. If history has taught is nothing else, it's that this policy is a proven recipe for mediocrity/failure.

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                              #15
                              Not really buying this to be honest. If you've got no money to spend why splash out 7 million on Pennant when he's probably worth 3million if being kind. I tend to think this is more to do with Rafa's valuation of players. And I'm not sure I'm convinced by his valuations.

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