Loris Karius

[topscorer]

This doesn’t make any sense.

If you take Karius mistakes away it is 1-1. The performance was good until Salah went off, and second half we could t get momentum because of, guess what, the howlers..! We came back really well, within minutes of the first one which showed real character. Bales goal you can do nothing but admire, but even then we went close with Sadio hitting the post.

The second mistake ended the game.

Karius single handedly cost us any chance of the trophy - we were not as strong when Mo went off - but we certainly weren’t out of it.

As you say, the second howler finished it on 83 minutes. In 83 minutes we had only scored one goal.

We recovered from the first howler within 4 minutes and then Bales goal was out of this world.

So I don't think the howlers had a great influence on the momentum of the game. We didn't score in 51 minutes and we equalised within 4 minutes of the first howler.

The second howler was a few minutes before the end of the game and we'd been on the back foot since Bale came on and scored within seconds.

The game changing moments were Salah going off injured and then Bale coming on.

The mistakes by Karius didn't really influence the momentum of the game IMO but those two events did.

We always had to get more than one goal to have a chance of winning this final and after 83 minutes we only had one.

[topscorer]

Loris Karius

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to whitewash his mistakes. I'm just saying I don't think they had a great influence on the final result and, unfortunately for him, he's going to unfairly get 100% of the blame thrown on his shoulders for the loss and I think his responsibility is a lot less than that.

[Buzzo]

As you say, the second howler finished it on 83 minutes. In 83 minutes we had only scored one goal.

We recovered from the first howler within 4 minutes and then Bales goal was out of this world.

So I don't think the howlers had a great influence on the momentum of the game. We didn't score in 51 minutes and we equalised within 4 minutes of the first howler.

The second howler was a few minutes before the end of the game and we'd been on the back foot since Bale came on and scored within seconds.

The game changing moments were Salah going off injured and then Bale coming on.

The mistakes by Karius didn't really influence the momentum of the game IMO but those two events did.

We always had to get more than one goal to have a chance of winning this final and after 83 minutes we only had one.

I disagree. How can you say the keeper chucking 2 in the net didn’t effect momentum? Also Mane got the post when Bale was on.

We were up against it but I was optimistic of getting to extra time until the third went in. I felt we would make at least one more chance. We literally handed Madrid 2 of their 3 goals. Saying it had no effect is bonkers.

Nothing changes the momentum in a game more than a goal..? Salah going off was bad, but Karius first mistake (at 0-0 remember) was worse, it literally handed the momentum to Real.

I think you are still drinking.

[baitman]

Bit of a cliche to trot out the old maybe he does not impress in trining line, but possibly it is true and maybe Ward does worse that Karius and Mignolet in training.


To be honest if we are to get a new first team keeper this summer, I don't want to be gambling on whether or not a guy the same age as Karius, but who cannot get a sniff of game time, is the one to go with.


If we are to get a new keeper, then spend on someone who has shown his quality at first team level in a decent league.

we need a proper first team ready starter, no messing about.
i have quoted your other earlier post in a new thread [to help get things going] here; https://www.est1892.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=90172

[topscorer]

Loris Karius

Nothing changes the momentum in a game more than a goal..? Salah going off was bad, but Karius first mistake (at 0-0 remember) was worse, it literally handed the momentum to Real.

I think you are still drinking.

It didn't though. We equalized 4 minutes later.

I agreed that the third finished the game, we might have been able to equalize in the last 7 minutes if that hadn't happened but we only got one goal in the previous 83 and that happened to be straight after the first howler.

I'm not saying he's faultless, I'm just putting into perspective that the two mistakes did not have as much influence as people want to think.

It's easy for everyone, except Karius, to blame everything in him. But its a bit more complex than that.

In our blitz moment that we have in games like this, in the first half, we didn't score any goals. Madrid controlled us and then Ramos took out Salah and killed us.

I wish I was still drinking. I wish Klopp had invited us all to his party and then we probably wouldn't give a **** lol.

[Exiled_red]

The Salah injury had me fearing the worst and we were a different team without him. When the Madrid goal went in we could have let our heads go down, but we got the equalizer, Bale scores a worldie and at one goal down even with 10 to go we were still in the game, it just takes one chance and we could have gone to extra time, the mistake for the 3rd goal really does kill the game.

But **** happens and we can take comfort in the fact that as the commentators and pundits say these things even themselves out, so at some point we are due a **** ton of luck

[Buzzo]

It didn't though. We equalized 4 minutes later.

I agreed that the third finished the game, we might have been able to equalize in the last 7 minutes if that hadn't happened but we only got one goal in the previous 83 and that happened to be straight after the first howler.

I'm not saying he's faultless, I'm just putting into perspective that the two mistakes did not have as much influence as people want to think.

It's easy for everyone, except Karius, to blame everything in him. But its a bit more complex than that.

In our blitz moment that we have in games like this, in the first half, we didn't score any goals. Madrid controlled us and then Ramos took out Salah and killed.

I wish I was still drinking. I wish Klopp had invited us all to his party and then we probably wouldn't give a **** lol.

Put it this way, if Karius doesn’t make the first mistake, assuming the game plays out the same way Mane goal would put us one nil up. That is how big of a moment it was. When Karius threw the ball at Benzema we went from 0-0 all square to instantly needing 2 goals to win.

And it wasn’t Madrids quality that got them there. The effect on the team would be massive.

[Shaggy]

It's ****ing heartbreaking for him. I'm heartbroken for him and for us.

This will define his entire life. Poor *******.

[rodo]

still not sure why robbo wasnt the ball

[Leyton388]

I was absolutely livid with him last night and the red mist appeared but now that's gone I feel sorry for him but at the same time it's his own stupidity that has cost us.

I hope he gets over it but it can't be here.

[Chris]

He's gotta be upgraded now, was happy with his performances but we can't be having that. The second one I'm not arsed about, they happen but the first is one of the dumbest bits of play I've ever seen, in a game where you have to take even more care of the ball as well. Klopp is stubborn though for good and bad so I'm a bit surprised everyone thinks it's nailed on he'll be replaced.

[McDermotX]

Might well be here, as backup anyway.....no one knows what's going on with Ward, but it'd still be a surprise if we flog both Mig and Karius.

[topscorer]

Put it this way, if Karius doesn’t make the first mistake, assuming the game plays out the same way Mane goal would put us one nil up. That is how big of a moment it was. When Karius threw the ball at Benzema we went from 0-0 all square to instantly needing 2 goals to win.



And it wasn’t Madrids quality that got them there. The effect on the team would be massive.

I think it's ridiculous to go down that path. You can hypothesize every second of the game if you want but it won't change anything and you can say it's 100% Karius's fault if that will make you feel better and if you don't agree with me I've no problem with that, everyone is entitled to opinions.

But from what I know and understand of Klopp I think Karius will still be our number one goalkeeper next season so I think we are all going to have to get over it and support him however responsible you think he is for us losing yesterday.

I think he is partly responsible and I think the rest of the team are partly responsible too because we only scored one goal.

I vaguely remember him making a couple of fine saves by the way that no one is talking about, or maybe I was just drunk and imagining that.

[topscorer]

the first is one of the dumbest bits of play I've ever seen, in a game where you have to take even more care of the ball as well..

I was freaking out at him at the time but then I thought about it and it's actually quite common for goalies to throw out quickly with a player from the opposition nearby.

Benzema was actually quite far away from the angle the ball was thrown and he was very alert to stick his foot out.

It was a howler but it's not like no goalie would ever throw the ball out like that.

[Buzzo]

I think it's ridiculous to go down that path. You can hypothesize every second of the game if you want but it won't change anything and you can say it's 100% Karius's fault if that will make you feel better and if you don't agree with me I've no problem with that, everyone is entitled to opinions.

But from what I know and understand of Klopp I think Karius will still be our number one goalkeeper next season so I think we are all going to have to get over it and support him however responsible you think he is for us losing yesterday.

I think he is partly responsible and I think the rest of the team are partly responsible too because we only scored one goal.

I vaguely remember him making a couple of fine saves by the way that no one is talking about, or maybe I was just drunk and imagining that.

He made a couple of decent saves but.......

I think we have to agree to disagree, I think having a keeper gift 2 goals is pivotal you don’t.

He is totally responsible for me, at worst we go to extra time without those mistakes, and who knows maybe the game would have mapped out better for us without them. Salah goin*off effected our confidences but wasn’t the end of it. The mistakes pretty much were.

I suspect we were looking for a keeper anyway, and expect Karius to be our number 2 next season.