Watford vs Liverpool Match Thread

[SB]

2nd goal was not Moreno's fault. He has had a good game. Emre Can and Henderson have been terrible.

you'll have a hard time convincing some though.

[ronanm]

I think we should fund a plane to fly over vicarage road with coutinho hanging from it by his testes. Doesn't detract from the defence being the usual standard.

[SB]

Don't kid yourself, he's a ****ing shocking footballer in fact that entire back line is. TAA I'm not going to include in that as he's only young but the rest are ****ing dreadful. It's the same **** every game conceding simple goals. It's basic defending you learn when you're in school kicking a ball about with your mates ffs, it's dog**** stuff to watch it really is.

Moreno has been the best of the back 5, back 6 if you want to include Henderson.

[Abro100]

I think we kept Moreno to keep Coutinho happy now he's not flog him. Not saying he's at fault today btw.

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[sevennilphil]

Hoffenheim will tear this team a new arsehole on Tuesday if we play as bad. Lovren dives in too early, Matip is too passive and doesn't get involved until it's too late. There is ZERO aggression in the midfield.

[Abro100]

These are going down like flies

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[Leyton388]

2nd goal was not Moreno's fault. He has had a good game. Emre Can and Henderson have been terrible.

[Slinky Skills]

Moreno's still the scapegoat is he? Didn't think he was doing too badly in a **** team performance personally. Had a hand in the goal too.

Don't kid yourself, he's a ****ing shocking footballer in fact that entire back line is. TAA I'm not going to include in that as he's only young but the rest are ****ing dreadful. It's the same **** every game conceding simple goals. It's basic defending you learn when you're in school kicking a ball about with your mates ffs, it's dog**** stuff to watch it really is.

[fowlen]

Right then strap yourselves in for another boring 45 minutes!

[Abro100]

Put mane on right salah on left get solanke origi on. Take wijnaldum and firmino off and bully them. Play old fashioned football.

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[Exiled_red]

That's part of the problem but Lovren is disastrous outside the width of the penalty box (I have been saying this since he first arrived). With fullbacks high that is the ball the opposition will use so you need someone better able to deal with coming out the "trams"

That was the problem with the CBs down Moreno's side previously.

[SB]

What were the player failings from these two goals? Henderson not tracking the midfielder? Firmino not in the way for the corner?

It's the expanding way we play. We are never going to be an outstanding team defensively under Klopp. It's all about the other end of the pitch and dominating games when we have the ball. Historically, Klopp never had outstanding defensive teams. We've got to take the rough with the smooth.

We are useless at zonal defending but I hold Matip as responsible as Bobby for the goal.

[Rich]

Feels like 15 minutes of ads

[Exiled_red]

First goal was woeful defending of the set-piece, there is a Watford player stopping Mignolet coming for it and why is Firmino marking / in the central zone of the 6 yard box?

Second goal again poor defending TAA attempts to clear the ball and it hits one of the CBs then the Watford player follows in, surely there should have been one of the midfielders picking him up?

[Lecter]

I'm with Carragher. We set ourselves up for our CBs to face one on one's/two on two's on the break, of course it's going to end in carnage so often.

That's part of the problem but Lovren is disastrous outside the width of the penalty box (I have been saying this since he first arrived). With fullbacks high that is the ball the opposition will use so you need someone better able to deal with coming out the "trams"