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  • Doc_Piptorious
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    Originally posted by danperkins View Post
    Was such a pity we had to let Kelleher go, he was just too good to be a back up. I still think he was underated by many of our own fans. Not a huge fan of Mama, decent shot stopper but hasn't shown much else imo. Kelleher is fantastic with the ball at his feet, great shot stopper and so calm. Had a great season for Brentford too which is no surprise. With Alisson being a bit of a crock, I'm not sure Mama is the one to replace him. Early days but so far he's good enough with the ball at his feet to be top level.


    Think it is the opposite tbh. He is a good keeper and one that learned a hell of a lot training day in and day out with the best keeper in the world, but if Kellher had not played for us and been from Cork, and all we knew of him was this season at Brentford, would be be clamouring for him to replace the guy that has been the best of the best for years?

    That is not to say Mamar is a nailed in certainty to be the next bext in the world, but he is younger than Kelleher by a couple years I think and far more experienced in terms of firth team football.

    Mamar is exactly what we bought and that is one of the most highly rated young keepers. Now he may be closer in style to Oblak than an Alisson or a Neuer, but he is already damn good at the two most important things, imo of course, for a keeper and that is making good saves and the sort of positioning so that every save does not need to be a hail mary hollywood save.

    His ability on the ball, which is average rather than poor (we have just become too used to the levels Alisson brought) can be worked on and also can be negated with how the back line and him learn to work together. Would be negated further imo were we to bring in more mobility in midfield in the form of a mobile player that is also defensively good. Think our flaws this season have made for some turgid playing out from the back and too many stupid pressure inviting balls being played to our keepers by our own players.

    Would also argue that Mamar has shown in a number of games this season that he is the difference between going in a goal down and going in three goals down. Again do that improving of the backline and midfield thing and we go back to needing a keeper that needs to be a great shot stopper and great at making chances against us less good through positioning.

    Another thing to look at is the current gap between the crop of up and coming keepers and the truly world class ones.

    I think we are in a bit of a weird limbo at present as pretty much all of the world class guys are in the twilight of their careers and then there is a big empty space where the world class prime age keeper or keepers would be.

    Mamar for me sits with the likes of Diogo Costa, Kelleher, Kobel, Agirrezabala and a couple others that sit in that 24 to 28 age bracket and could be argued that a few of them are already at an age where they might have already become as good as they are going to get. Possibly Kelleher and Kobel fall under that.

    If you want to try and get a young (ish) keeper that has great reflexes, is good with the ball at his feet and appears to have most of the other qualities (physical and mental) needed to be a close to perfect all rounder, then the best bet might be Costa though the one knock I would have against him is he is "short" at 6'1 (short as in the really great modern keeprs tended to have everything plus size in their locker).

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  • danperkins
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    Was such a pity we had to let Kelleher go, he was just too good to be a back up. I still think he was underated by many of our own fans. Not a huge fan of Mama, decent shot stopper but hasn't shown much else imo. Kelleher is fantastic with the ball at his feet, great shot stopper and so calm. Had a great season for Brentford too which is no surprise. With Alisson being a bit of a crock, I'm not sure Mama is the one to replace him. Early days but so far he's good enough with the ball at his feet to be top level.
    Last edited by danperkins; 23-04-26, 12:51 PM.

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  • vlahka
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    Wouldnt be much of a competition. Kelleher is the better keeper.

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  • Le Chef
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    Originally posted by Exiled_red View Post
    Reports knocking around that he has agreed a deal with Juventus and that we have agreed he can leave in the summer. No idea if it's true but a few people reporting it.
    Has to be a fee, we agreed another year

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  • frank the tank
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    Wouldn't be surprised but at the same time I think I'll be a bit sad to see him go. Also, wish kelleher was sold with a buyback because he'd have fancied his chances in a fair competition against Mamardash i reckon

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  • Norbs
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    On a free?

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  • Exiled_red
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    Reports knocking around that he has agreed a deal with Juventus and that we have agreed he can leave in the summer. No idea if it's true but a few people reporting it.

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  • Doc_Piptorious
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    Originally posted by vlahka View Post
    How about he improve his skills receiving the ball there? He's not 10 and not practiced enough. Something that basic could screw us. So frustrating to have lost Kelleher at this time.
    We do it with outfield players that are left footed, especially ones on the flanks, and generally play a pass or long ball so that they can control it quickly and be on the move.

    We have done that for years for both Salah and Robertson.

    Why should a keeper be any different?


    Yes the ability to use your weaker foot is trainable, but as we have seen with the likes of Robertson, some players are just not great with their weaker foot and as such makes more sense to play to their stronger side than their lesser side especially when in a part of the pitch where a delay to shift one's body shape could give an opponent the time to eat up a yard or two extra to close the distance.

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  • BG1973
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    Originally posted by vlahka View Post
    Thats a nice outlook. But when theres pressure and defenders are forced to pass quickly? Thats when a silly goal will happen because hes weak on one side. Never had that problem with Kelleher.
    Nice outlook because it is the correct one.

    PIng quick balls into Ali and Kelleher left foot and see how they get on.

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  • Mark79
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    Originally posted by vlahka View Post
    Thats a nice outlook. But when theres pressure and defenders are forced to pass quickly? Thats when a silly goal will happen because hes weak on one side. Never had that problem with Kelleher.
    As I said, pass on to the stronger side when you can.

    Kelleher had a weaker foot too. It just didn't get exposed as much because he'd get the ball to his preferred foot more often than not.

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  • vlahka
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    Originally posted by Mark79 View Post
    I guess because it's a team sport and passing to your teammates stronger side, when you can, is a mutually beneficial thing?
    Thats a nice outlook. But when theres pressure and defenders are forced to pass quickly? Thats when a silly goal will happen because hes weak on one side. Never had that problem with Kelleher.

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  • baitman
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    Originally posted by Deano View Post
    Time for Mama to step up and be No 1 even when Ali gets back
    Need to get the song ready...

    Don't stop now, now come on
    Another save now, come on
    We wanna win now, come on
    That's why, that's why
    I said ma mama we're all crazy now
    I said ma mama we're all crazy now
    I said ma mama we're all crazy now

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  • Le Chef
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    Time for Mama to step up and be No 1 even when Ali gets back

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  • Mark79
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    Originally posted by vlahka View Post
    How about he improve his skills receiving the ball there? He's not 10 and not practiced enough. Something that basic could screw us. So frustrating to have lost Kelleher at this time.
    I guess because it's a team sport and passing to your teammates stronger side, when you can, is a mutually beneficial thing?

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  • Mark79
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    Alisson back by end of April

    [ame]https://twitter.com/i/status/2040072670620918045[/ame]

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