Liverpool vs Napoli - Champions League (Group Game 6)

[Kenneth]

Obviously

[Buzzo]

I'd be up for any, but would avoid Barca or Juve.

Bayern would be a nice tie.

[Tee]

Nailed on to get Bayern....Klopps adventures continue!! Gonna be some game

[Paul12]

The VVD booking / foul .

So take me through this. VVD got the ball first but his follow through bent the guys standing leg and that is not a foul, but Burnley's leg breaking tackle on Gomez was a disgrace. Mmm.

[S-RED]

Don't want RM; too much corruption around to allow them to go out so early in the tournament....

[The_weatherman]

Lost 3-0 at home today

Not quite full strength team but still contained -

Courtois
Odriozola
Vallejo
Sánchez de Felipe
Marcelo substituted for Carvajal at 74' minutes
Valverde
Llorente substituted for Kroos at 58' minutes
Asensio
Isco
Paixão de Oliveira Júnior
Benzema substituted for Bale at 45' minutes

A 19 year old Icelandic player assisted one and scored one, not even Icelanders knew he existed until this year, he'll be one to watch soon, Arnor Sigurdsson.

[dom9]

So take me through this. VVD got the ball first but his follow through bent the guys standing leg and that is not a foul, but Burnley's leg breaking tackle on Gomez was a disgrace. Mmm.

Is that what I said?

[calvoboy]

So take me through this. VVD got the ball first but his follow through bent the guys standing leg and that is not a foul, but Burnley's leg breaking tackle on Gomez was a disgrace. Mmm.

People like you have been on here for the last two days going on about how it's hypocrisy to complain about the VVD yellow based on the Gomez reaction. Yet I've just read through the Burnley match and reaction thread again, and the Gomez thread, and I can't find anyone at all on here that criticised the tackle on Gomez.

Plenty who criticised the Bardsley foul on Moreno, and a few who criticised Burnley's overall ale-house approach, but no-one who called the Gomez tackle a disgrace. So where are you lot getting this from? It's hardly representative of opinion on here.

[baitman]

So take me through this. VVD got the ball first but his follow through bent the guys standing leg and that is not a foul, but Burnley's leg breaking tackle on Gomez was a disgrace. Mmm.

its quite possible to make a tackle that is fair and clean yet the player on the receiving end could still end up with an injury. there is an element of contact and provided its done within the boundaries then all is fair. trouble is when a ref has his head turned with multiple roll overs and other players shouting and screaming for a card and the gallows.
if the original tackle was fair, as in the vvd case, then any subsequent injury isnt part of the decision.

People like you have been on here for the last two days going on about how it's hypocrisy to complain about the VVD yellow based on the Gomez reaction. Yet I've just read through the Burnley match and reaction thread again, and the Gomez thread, and I can't find anyone at all on here that criticised the tackle on Gomez.

Plenty who criticised the Bardsley foul on Moreno, and a few who criticised Burnley's overall ale-house approach, but no-one who called the Gomez tackle a disgrace. So where are you lot getting this from? It's hardly representative of opinion on here.

i have only seen the tackle on gomez in real time and it did look like nothing.
maybe if we were to see several slo-mo replays from several angles, as we have with the tackle made by vvd, then it might get a few tongues wagging and fume being vented.

[Buzzo]

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[Paul12]

if the original tackle was fair, as in the vvd case, then any subsequent injury isnt part of the decision.

But that's not right is it? We had a player (Didi I think it was) sent off years ago for leaping in and missing the man and the ball, which suggests it is enough in effect to threaten the player's safety. VVD did that because, however cleanly he got the ball, it was inevitable that he would follow through and get the palyer's standing leg.

I don't have anything against VVD - he's clearly a hero - but on our calmest moments we need to be evenhanded in the way we feel about these sorts of issues.

[baitman]

But that's not right is it? We had a player (Didi I think it was) sent off years ago for leaping in and missing the man and the ball, which suggests it is enough in effect to threaten the player's safety. VVD did that because, however cleanly he got the ball, it was inevitable that he would follow through and get the palyer's standing leg.

I don't have anything against VVD - he's clearly a hero - but on our calmest moments we need to be evenhanded in the way we feel about these sorts of issues.

ok then, what if vvd make the move to play the ball and the player on the ball jumps up and steps away from the tackle. he has played the ball and gone through [his own interia, cant just stop a moving object, ask isaac newton] and the player isnt there so no contact.
vvd came in from one angle and the other player came in from another, so they ended up clashing, but vvd was only there to play the ball and only his momentum carried him through and onto the other player.

[calvoboy]

But that's not right is it? We had a player (Didi I think it was) sent off years ago for leaping in and missing the man and the ball, which suggests it is enough in effect to threaten the player's safety. VVD did that because, however cleanly he got the ball, it was inevitable that he would follow through and get the palyer's standing leg.

I don't have anything against VVD - he's clearly a hero - but on our calmest moments we need to be evenhanded in the way we feel about these sorts of issues.

You're misremembering. Didi's controversial sending off was when he took the ball and never touched the man. He had jumped in two footed though, which meant both feet were off the ground and he was out of control of the consequences. Which is why two-footed challenges have been banned.

That is entirely different to a situation where a player makes a perfectly clean challenge, not two-footed or out of control, and then accidentally connects with the opponent on the follow through. The game seems to be dramatically shifting into a non-contact sport (apart from wrestling and grappling at every set-piece and one-on-one) without any consultation or debate whatsoever.

If VVD is a yellow, then why isn't Allison's headed clearance against Bournemouth a penalty and yellow/red card?

[Fosterbloke]

If VVD is a yellow, then why isn't Allison's headed clearance against Bournemouth a penalty and yellow/red card?

Because the likelihood of snapping bones is much less if its upper body contact than lower.

[calvoboy]

Because the likelihood of snapping bones is much less if its upper body contact than lower.

I think the fact that every other contact sport in the world is focusing on concussion and the threat of high tackles disproves the height "danger" point.

The logical conclusion of considering "follow through" as dangerous is that we outlaw the slide tackle. Surely you don't all want that?