Gonzalez is the new...

[G_Man]

i cant believe your dumb enough to not see my point

NO ONE can run flat out for 90mins of a game. NOBODY!

its physically impossible.

No wonder your so unhappy with our players all the time....they cant run flat out for a full game. Is that why you think Harry is lazy

Well it's not physically impossible but it is very difficult. There are 2 types of muscle fibres, red fibres and white fibres and they have different functions. The white fibres are mainly for slow movements and are also involved in posture. These fibres are extremely difficult to tire.
The red fibres are mainly involved in explosive rapid movements and tire very quickly. Marathon runners when they train will develop lots of white muscle fibres hence the phrase 'if you're going to run a marathon you don't train to run a sprint'. Sprinters will develop red fibres when they train as they need the explosive rapid movements.
Ever seen a sprinter at the end of a race? They are usually panting like a dog and hyperventillating to repay 'the oxygen debt' incurred during their 10 second run. Does Ryan think these sprinters aren't fit because they can't run for 10 seconds without getting out of breath?
Contrast a marathon runner at the end of a 2 HOUR race. Usually they just collapse with fatigue, they are rarely hyperventillating unless they've had a sprint finish.

So what I'm trying to say is : Mark Gonzalez has explosive pace. He has developed more RED muscle fibres than white muscle fibres so he can run fast. They pay off from this is that he will tire much quicker than someone who has developed more white muscle fibres. So if we want him to be able to run at full tilt for 90 minutes, he will lose the explosive pace which makes him so effective as a winger.

[MrMichael]

Well.... I guess that about clears that one up. Nice one G_man




New tagline for est1892 anyone? "You need atleast a medical degree to argue with some of our posters"

[Harv]

Well it's not physically impossible but it is very difficult. There are 2 types of muscle fibres, red fibres and white fibres and they have different functions. The white fibres are mainly for slow movements and are also involved in posture. These fibres are extremely difficult to tire.
The red fibres are mainly involved in explosive rapid movements and tire very quickly. Marathon runners when they train will develop lots of white muscle fibres hence the phrase 'if you're going to run a marathon you don't train to run a sprint'. Sprinters will develop red fibres when they train as they need the explosive rapid movements.
Ever seen a sprinter at the end of a race? They are usually panting like a dog and hyperventillating to repay 'the oxygen debt' incurred during their 10 second run. Does Ryan think these sprinters aren't fit because they can't run for 10 seconds without getting out of breath?
Contrast a marathon runner at the end of a 2 HOUR race. Usually they just collapse with fatigue, they are rarely hyperventillating unless they've had a sprint finish.

So what I'm trying to say is : Mark Gonzalez has explosive pace. He has developed more RED muscle fibres than white muscle fibres so he can run fast. They pay off from this is that he will tire much quicker than someone who has developed more white muscle fibres. So if we want him to be able to run at full tilt for 90 minutes, he will lose the explosive pace which makes him so effective as a winger.

nice one Gman.
Good ol fast twitch muscle fibres. Their the culprits. Gonzalez just has to pace himself during games, he cant run flat out all the time or Rafa would have to haul him off after 20 mins.

[rebel23]

come on Ryan, you surely know better than to judge a player after a few pre season games.

I remember last year Brendan whinging about Sissoko, telling us he's another flop but he showed over the course of the season that he can be a very useful and key player for the team...

and if your going to use pre-season friendlies to judge players then why won't you admit that Pennant, who you've been telling us for months is ****, is the dogs bollocks ?

[G_Man]

I just want to add, Rob made a very moot point about Rich Dunne also being deceptively quick.

I have to put my hand up and admit that I accused sissoko of being "bunk" before he played a game for us. How wrong can you be.

Also I used to be a King Luis hater until he started scoring vital goals and then I just accepted his faults. Josemi was my MOM for his first 2 games.
The lesson I've learned is that you've got to judge these lads over at least an injury free season (so I'm still undecided on Kirkland and Kewell )
Rafa wouldn't go through the whole procedure of getting Gonzalez on loan whilst he was recovering from a serious injury, losing out on a work permit, signing him anyway and re-applying for a work permit if he didn't rate him.

[univofchicago]

I remember last year Brendan whinging about Sissoko, telling us he's another flop

I think Brendan is still whinging about Sissoko...Well, he was when I last visited Koptalk (about 2 month ago)....

[Shaggy]

come on Ryan, you surely know better than to judge a player after a few pre season games.

I remember last year Brendan whinging about Sissoko, telling us he's another flop but he showed over the course of the season that he can be a very useful and key player for the team...

and if your going to use pre-season friendlies to judge players then why won't you admit that Pennant, who you've been telling us for months is ****, is the dogs bollocks ?

[Bob]

Well it's not physically impossible but it is very difficult. There are 2 types of muscle fibres, red fibres and white fibres and they have different functions. The white fibres are mainly for slow movements and are also involved in posture. These fibres are extremely difficult to tire.
The red fibres are mainly involved in explosive rapid movements and tire very quickly. Marathon runners when they train will develop lots of white muscle fibres hence the phrase 'if you're going to run a marathon you don't train to run a sprint'. Sprinters will develop red fibres when they train as they need the explosive rapid movements.
Ever seen a sprinter at the end of a race? They are usually panting like a dog and hyperventillating to repay 'the oxygen debt' incurred during their 10 second run. Does Ryan think these sprinters aren't fit because they can't run for 10 seconds without getting out of breath?
Contrast a marathon runner at the end of a 2 HOUR race. Usually they just collapse with fatigue, they are rarely hyperventillating unless they've had a sprint finish.

So what I'm trying to say is : Mark Gonzalez has explosive pace. He has developed more RED muscle fibres than white muscle fibres so he can run fast. They pay off from this is that he will tire much quicker than someone who has developed more white muscle fibres. So if we want him to be able to run at full tilt for 90 minutes, he will lose the explosive pace which makes him so effective as a winger.

Not at you GM, just at the very informed reply (would have taken me all day to form that one)

Per chance, are you the anesthetist(?) off KT?

[G_Man]

Not at you GM, just at the very informed reply (would have taken me all day to form that one)

Per chance, are you the anesthetist(?) off KT?

Yep

EDIT: Formerly off Koptalk but no longer associated with it

[rebel23]

he doesn't seem to want to answer this question

he's been dismissing Pennant for ages, all last season in fact when I was suggesting him as a potential signing. I even remember him starting threads about him. if he's using the FCK game to judge Gonzalez, surely he will admit he was completely wrong about Pennant and hail him as a great player ?

[Bob]

Ah, that's a big surprise though if it's any consolation it's really went downhill of late IMHO.

I'll extend my personal welcomes here and bask in the glory of having a higher post count than you for the (shortlived) moment

[Ryan]

he doesn't seem to want to answer this question

he's been dismissing Pennant for ages, all last season in fact when I was suggesting him as a potential signing. I even remember him starting threads about him. if he's using the FCK game to judge Gonzalez, surely he will admit he was completely wrong about Pennant and hail him as a great player ?

If you remove your head from your arse long enough, take a wee scroll back to the first page of this thread where I said, and I quote...

"I've seen him play about a dozen times now, and never been impressed"

... As I knew some dilbert would try and pick me up on the 'Post-Friendly-Kneejerk', seems though that you've chosen to ignore this.

As for Pennant; Well I've made my stance on this very clear for ages now. I didn't want him, we vastly overpaid for him, I didn't think we needed him, and I don't particularly rate him.

That enough for you to get off my leg for a while?

[G_Man]

If you remove your head from your arse long enough, take a wee scroll back to the first page of this thread where I said, and I quote...

"I've seen him play about a dozen times now, and never been impressed"

That's fair enough, you're not impressed, but that doesn't make him the new Smicer. I suppose there may have been a bit of humourous exaggeration in the Smicer comparrison though

... As I knew some dilbert would try and pick me up on the 'Post-Friendly-Kneejerk', seems though that you've chosen to ignore this.

As for Pennant; Well I've made my stance on this very clear for ages now. I didn't want him, we vastly overpaid for him, I didn't think we needed him, and I don't particularly rate him.

That enough for you to get off my leg for a while?

Why do you think we vastly overpaid for Pennant? I'm curious, I don't want a slanging match.

Compare him to 21 million for Wright Phillips or the 15 million that was being quoted for Lennon or the 12.5 million for Alves or the 13+ million for Simao.

I'm also curious as to why you think we didn't need him. Most fans I know agree that we have been crying out for a genuine right sided midfielder for 1-2 seasons now.

[Pablo1]

Ryan mate - what's the problem - you seem to be fighting with everyone here. So you've seen him "about" a dozen times, and you weren't impressed. Other have seen him a similar amount of games and have been. You have your opinon, they have their. They however are not freaking out over it. Calm down lad. As for my opinion - I'd prefer to trust Rafa and see how he turns out. Time will tell...

[Pablo1]

That's fair enough, you're not impressed, but that doesn't make him the new Smicer. I suppose there may have been a bit of humourous exaggeration in the Smicer comparrison though



Why do you think we vastly overpaid for Pennant? I'm curious, I don't want a slanging match.

Compare him to 21 million for Wright Phillips or the 15 million that was being quoted for Lennon or the 12.5 million for Alves or the 13+ million for Simao.

I'm also curious as to why you think we didn't need him. Most fans I know agree that we have been crying out for a genuine right sided midfielder for 1-2 seasons now.

Now there are some well made points...