Man U away

[Corndog]

Carra and Neville are becoming more of a joke with every werk. They can wax lyrical about being for the fans all day but it doesn't change the fact that both were part of the problem as players who benefited from the commercialisation of football who sent ridiculously high wages.

Their rhetoric is embarrassing as is their apologist attitude towards the idiots who broke into the stadium

[Mr Pink]

Carra and Neville are becoming more of a joke with every werk. They can wax lyrical about being for the fans all day but it doesn't change the fact that both were part of the problem as players who benefited from the commercialisation of football who sent ridiculously high wages.

Their rhetoric is embarrassing as is their apologist attitude towards the idiots who broke into the stadium

I wouldn’t hold it against them for benefiting from it- could also say we’re all part of the problem for supporting it...

But I agree about them becoming more of a joke with every week! Carragher annoys me more so- maybe cos he’s one of us, but I find them both really irritable- and 2/3 years ago, I thought they were both really good pundits too..

[RichC]

I wouldn’t hold it against them for benefiting from it- could also say we’re all part of the problem for supporting it...

But I agree about them becoming more of a joke with every week! Carragher annoys me more so- maybe cos he’s one of us, but I find them both really irritable- and 2/3 years ago, I thought they were both really good pundits too..

Where was Carras voice when we had Hicks and Gillette as owners ? Happy to sign the six figure weekly contracts back then without a thought about the fans, funny how it’s changed now his employers at Sky have been put under some pressure.

[dom9]

Carra and Neville are becoming more of a joke with every werk. They can wax lyrical about being for the fans all day but it doesn't change the fact that both were part of the problem as players who benefited from the commercialisation of football who sent ridiculously high wages.



Their rhetoric is embarrassing as is their apologist attitude towards the idiots who broke into the stadium

Let's be honest here.

We can all wax lyrical and pontificate about the rhetoric, but we're all part of the problem.

All of us.

If you've ever bought a Sky or other sports TV subscription, you're complicit.

If you buy the merch which changes throughout the season, you're complicit.

If you have never done any of that and you watch via streams, you're a cheapskate who is also complicit in lining some gangsters pockets on the back of the greed.

The money we collectively have funnelled through Sky and others has resulted in many of the best players on the planet playing in the Premier League and indeed LFC.

So which way do you want it?

It's easy to throw stones from your ivory tower, but you need to convince me that you're not part of the problem.

BTW, I've quoted your post but my point is aimed at every single one of us.

[Kenneth]

It’s interesting how the majority of people seem to have a big problem with the current system in football that is controlled by, and run for, a tiny elite of billionaires that care solely about money and treat everyone else with contempt. It’s a microcosm of this country, except people care more when it’s about football.

[Corndog]

I wouldn’t hold it against them for benefiting from it- could also say we’re all part of the problem for supporting it...

But I agree about them becoming more of a joke with every week! Carragher annoys me more so- maybe cos he’s one of us, but I find them both really irritable- and 2/3 years ago, I thought they were both really good pundits too..

I don't hold it against them for earning the stupid wages they did. Of course they did what anyone would do if it was offered to them.

It's another thing though to sit there and not mention exactly what John Barnes pointed out. The players wages are a huge reason for the continued need for more and more revenue in the game and that revenue is borne as a cost by the fans either directly or indirectly.

They're just not that smart and are pretty arrogant because they've had everything handed to them on a plate since their late teens

[RichC]

Let's be honest here.

We can all wax lyrical and pontificate about the rhetoric, but we're all part of the problem.

All of us.

If you've ever bought a Sky or other sports TV subscription, you're complicit.

If you buy the merch which changes throughout the season, you're complicit.

If you have never done any of that and you watch via streams, you're a cheapskate who is also complicit in lining some gangsters pockets on the back of the greed.

The money we collectively have funnelled through Sky and others has resulted in many of the best players on the planet playing in the Premier League and indeed LFC.

So which way do you want it?

It's easy to throw stones from your ivory tower, but you need to convince me that you're not part of the problem.

BTW, I've quoted your post but my point is aimed at every single one of us.

On that basis everyone that has engaged in football since ‘92 is part of the problem; maybe in some ways that is true and let’s be honest the idea of football is about the fans is long dead BUT we’ll also be the first to complain we’ve not spent in the transfer market etc.. we want it all don’t we !

However, what I do have an issue with is the portrayal of the likes of Sky and the PL itself as being on the side of football and the fans; they’re not and never have been it’s about cash and the reactions from them have been about keeping the status quo and protecting their cash cow.

[dom9]

It’s interesting how the majority of people seem to have a big problem with the current system in football that is controlled by, and run for, a tiny elite of billionaires that care solely about money and treat everyone else with contempt. It’s a microcosm of this country, except people care more when it’s about football.

You're kinda right. But there's a few owners who don't care about the money...

The nation states, and the oligarchs.

They are happy to spend it, but not earn it, from football at least.

But yes, buying influence at the table, there's a parallel with lobbying in there somewhere.

[dom9]

On that basis everyone that has engaged in football since ‘92 is part of the problem; maybe in some ways that is true and let’s be honest the idea of football is about the fans is long dead BUT we’ll also be the first to complain we’ve not spent in the transfer market etc.. we want it all don’t we !



However, what I do have an issue with is the portrayal of the likes of Sky and the PL itself as being on the side of football and the fans; they’re not and never have been it’s about cash and the reactions from them have been about keeping the status quo and protecting their cash cow.

Yep. So we're all complicit. We've always known what a nicely comfortable brand of evil the TV companies were about.

We knew in the 90s and we know today. They have never been on "our side".

They're a necessary evil that we've gotten into bed with.

[Fosterbloke]

I'm actually relieved this was postponed. Any indication on when it will be rescheduled for?

[Harv]

Let's be honest here.

We can all wax lyrical and pontificate about the rhetoric, but we're all part of the problem.

All of us.

If you've ever bought a Sky or other sports TV subscription, you're complicit.

If you buy the merch which changes throughout the season, you're complicit.

If you have never done any of that and you watch via streams, you're a cheapskate who is also complicit in lining some gangsters pockets on the back of the greed.

The money we collectively have funnelled through Sky and others has resulted in many of the best players on the planet playing in the Premier League and indeed LFC.

So which way do you want it?

It's easy to throw stones from your ivory tower, but you need to convince me that you're not part of the problem.

BTW, I've quoted your post but my point is aimed at every single one of us.

I got my subscription when i got given my work phone on a 2 yr business contract. A free years Premier League subscription it said...that was 5 years ago now and it's still working. That contract has long since ended, and Ive switched jobs in the meantime. But my login just keeps ticking

Ive defeated SKY on my own.

[Mr Pink]

I don't hold it against them for earning the stupid wages they did. Of course they did what anyone would do if it was offered to them.

It's another thing though to sit there and not mention exactly what John Barnes pointed out. The players wages are a huge reason for the continued need for more and more revenue in the game and that revenue is borne as a cost by the fans either directly or indirectly.

They're just not that smart and are pretty arrogant because they've had everything handed to them on a plate since their late teens

They are very hypocritical about it.

[Corndog]

Let's be honest here.

We can all wax lyrical and pontificate about the rhetoric, but we're all part of the problem.

All of us.

If you've ever bought a Sky or other sports TV subscription, you're complicit.

If you buy the merch which changes throughout the season, you're complicit.

If you have never done any of that and you watch via streams, you're a cheapskate who is also complicit in lining some gangsters pockets on the back of the greed.

The money we collectively have funnelled through Sky and others has resulted in many of the best players on the planet playing in the Premier League and indeed LFC.

So which way do you want it?

It's easy to throw stones from your ivory tower, but you need to convince me that you're not part of the problem.

BTW, I've quoted your post but my point is aimed at every single one of us.

I agree that is also a factor yes.

The problem of just how much of a free market football business is, is due to multiple factors. All I'd like to see is a proper discussion from the football community about all of those factors.

That means discussion of ownership models, but it also means discussion of the costs of football, discussion of regulation of this market, discussion of the revenue side, which includes broadcasters and organisations like UEFA.

I think the discussion is focusing disproportionately on the billionaire status and nationality of owners at the moment.

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[Roboklopp]

It’s interesting how the majority of people seem to have a big problem with the current system in football that is controlled by, and run for, a tiny elite of billionaires that care solely about money and treat everyone else with contempt. It’s a microcosm of this country, except people care more when it’s about football.

Interesting take and yeah.


Easier to be black and white about I spose. People don’t like complex answers.