2022/23 Season

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Time for the Doak

Like a new signing.......

[Slinky Skills]

Klopp has to take some of the blame no doubts, I don't think there's any getting away from it, given the situation we find ourselves in. Nobody should be immune from criticism regardless of what they have done for the club. Love what Klopp has done for the club & I don't think there is any other manager who could have achieved so much given our non oil circumstances.



We are now currently in the situation because of negligence in the transfer market. You could argue that we were negligent last season too. We've been patting ourselves on the back for years about how shrewd we have been in the transfer market and pointed out just how bad the likes of Arsenal & Man United have been. By not prioritising or failing to recognise the midfield area that has been the main identifier of us under Klopp, in which these players are required to exist in a grueling, punishing system that for it to be successful... it is absolutely imperative that these players be of a certain physical requirement. Our recent success comes from "the engine room" which allowed freedom to the forwards (world class) to do their thing & protection and a buffer for the defence (world class) to do their thing. That's not ignoring how much work our forwards did either to press from the front but that is what the Henderson/Gini/Milner/Fabinho midfield gave us over the last few years. Henderson & Milner's legs have gone, Fab has looked shot to pieces for 12 to 18 months & Gini left and was never replaced with a like for like. These things have not happened over night, there was ample time for it to be addressed.



We have no identity and everything that has made us what we are under Klopp, doesn't seem to exist anymore. It's all well and good bringing in guile and craft to break down low block sides but you have to keep the core of what has made us so successful under Klopp & we didn't do that. I do agree that with the current personnel a change in tactics should have happened. At least make us a wee bit harder to play against at the very minimum.

Not having a dig mate as you're a good lad but ****ing hell, where do you find the time to post things as long as this? I don't get time to ****ing piss during the day let alone anything else!

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Not having a dig mate as you're a good lad but ****ing hell, where do you find the time to post things as long as this? I don't get time to ****ing piss during the day let alone anything else!

Dan is Chat GBT…

[Rafa Justice]

But on the flip side, since 2018 what have we won with the midfield we have, and how close have we come to winning more? It is only this season (and maybe the tail end of last season) that the lack of midfield options has become more prevalent. But reaching 3 finals last year, and being pipped to the post in the league by a dodgy handball decision says to me that we weren't negligent, we were just happy with the options we had.

A peak side at the top of its game for a few years but without proper investment to keep it fresh, decline is inevitable. Ox and Keita should have gone two years ago but they are two crocks on big wages that no one else will pay. Those contracts are management fault.

This midfield situation is a combination of the fault of the management and, mostly, the owners lack of investment in the squad.

[Pablo]

Gutted that City have dropped off a bit this year and we are not able to capitalise on it

They will probably get 100 points again next year just as we re-find form.

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Gutted that City have dropped off a bit this year and we are not able to capitalise on it

They will probably get 100 points again next year just as we re-find form.

They seems to raise themselves when we are challenging them. And imagine how galling if that Arsenal team wins the prem

YNWA

[ronanm]

They seems to raise themselves when we are challenging them. And imagine how galling if that Arsenal team wins the prem

YNWA

Yes. A killer . Easiest PL in years

[Harv]

Yes. A killer . Easiest PL in years

Hardly Arsenal aren't getting enough credit for the start theyve had

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Hardly Arsenal aren't getting enough credit for the start theyve had

on for a near 100 point season. They are on fire this year.

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Hardly Arsenal aren't getting enough credit for the start theyve had

At the moment they are showing the type of form that saw us get 90+ points in a season, at the moment it doesn't look like they are going to win it with 80 or so which would feel like a real missed opportunity for us

[danperkins]

Not having a dig mate as you're a good lad but ****ing hell, where do you find the time to post things as long as this? I don't get time to ****ing piss during the day let alone anything else!

try typing it out on a mobile phone, had to edit it about 20 times. Oh and it's ranting season so ya gotta go balls deep.

[Corndog]

Klopp has to take some of the blame no doubts, I don't think there's any getting away from it, given the situation we find ourselves in. Nobody should be immune from criticism regardless of what they have done for the club. Love what Klopp has done for the club & I don't think there is any other manager who could have achieved so much given our non oil circumstances.

We are now currently in the situation because of negligence in the transfer market. You could argue that we were negligent last season too. We've been patting ourselves on the back for years about how shrewd we have been in the transfer market and pointed out just how bad the likes of Arsenal & Man United have been. By not prioritising or failing to recognise the midfield area that has been the main identifier of us under Klopp, in which these players are required to exist in a grueling, punishing system that for it to be successful... it is absolutely imperative that these players be of a certain physical requirement. Our recent success comes from "the engine room" which allowed freedom to the forwards (world class) to do their thing & protection and a buffer for the defence (world class) to do their thing. That's not ignoring how much work our forwards did either to press from the front but that is what the Henderson/Gini/Milner/Fabinho midfield gave us over the last few years. Henderson & Milner's legs have gone, Fab has looked shot to pieces for 12 to 18 months & Gini left and was never replaced with a like for like. These things have not happened over night, there was ample time for it to be addressed.

We have no identity and everything that has made us what we are under Klopp, doesn't seem to exist anymore. It's all well and good bringing in guile and craft to break down low block sides but you have to keep the core of what has made us so successful under Klopp & we didn't do that. I do agree that with the current personnel a change in tactics should have happened. At least make us a wee bit harder to play against at the very minimum.

The change in styles was a deliberate move, not negligence.

With hindsight, I think the management team got it wrong to prioritise a move for Darwin over a new CM.

You have to also acknowledge that covid has played a role in stuffing up the club’s momentum here. The effects are delayed but we had 1 or 2 very quiet windows in the last few years because of reduced revenue during the pandemic and without that, perhaps there would have been a Gini replacement.

I personally wouldn’t go as far as to call it negligence, just a few bad decisions or poorly executed strategy within the constraints of a club ownership model that the club has had since FSG took over. A model that had worked quite well for the most part.

[SB]

Not having a dig mate as you're a good lad but ****ing hell, where do you find the time to post things as long as this? I don't get time to ****ing piss during the day let alone anything else!

He has plenty of time when his wife takes her 20 minute showers

[danperkins]

The change in styles was a deliberate move, not negligence.

With hindsight, I think the management team got it wrong to prioritise a move for Darwin over a new CM.

You have to also acknowledge that covid has played a role in stuffing up the club’s momentum here. The effects are delayed but we had 1 or 2 very quiet windows in the last few years because of reduced revenue during the pandemic and without that, perhaps there would have been a Gini replacement.

I personally wouldn’t go as far as to call it negligence, just a few bad decisions or poorly executed strategy within the constraints of a club ownership model that the club has had since FSG took over. A model that had worked quite well for the most part.

If we miss out on a few hundred million of champions league revenue, best players may want to leave & potential targets don't see us as a top tier option any more, I think we can safely say that the decisions made were negligent.

There is a whole lot more than comes with finishing outside of the top 4 unfortunately.

[Corndog]

If we miss out on a few hundred million of champions league revenue, best players may want to leave & potential targets don't see us as a top tier option any more, I think we can safely say that the decisions made were negligent.

There is a whole lot more than comes with finishing outside of the top 4 unfortunately.

I don’t disagree with your logic about missing out on the champions league.

I think we have different definitions of negligence though.

If Klopp, Management or FSG didn’t care either way about performance, then I’d agree you could use this term.

All the evidence points to them caring very much about how the club performs, even if they have different motives.

Making wrong decisions or failing to execute strategy as intended in good faith is not negligence, it’s just failure and everybody fails at something at some point.