Spurs Away thread

[Rigadon]

clicking the bbc website this morning, no mention of this, I duno how its not huge news. Its a straightforward offside call, something is very very wrong.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66978938

[Liverpool]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66978938

thats from 50 mins ago, I meant earlier today, nothing to be seen

[ChesterDave]

Neville saying sorry should be respected. **** off Gary, just **** off. Second time they have had to apologise to Liverpool this season already

[Fivex]

They didn’t even apologise, and it was rushed out so fast that it couldn’t have been investigated properly as part of any reasonable due process

[Corndog]

Oliver and Taylor the best

https://twitter.com/paul_tomkins/sta...15102943531365

He should stick to being a writer and not try to be a data analyst. I don’t think his overcomplicated theories have much merit and they do seem a bit crackpot like.

[banditos]

It will be very interesting to see what (if anything) comes out of this. The fact that Oliver and England were both in the UAE two days before this game raises some very uncomfortable questions for the PGMOL in relation to conflict of interest. EPL refs taking money from foreign entities with potential/probable links to the owners of the team that's dominated the league for close to a decade is a very bad look for them. There's definitely a bit of a stench to this one.

[BG1973]

He should stick to being a writer and not try to be a data analyst. I don’t think his overcomplicated theories have much merit and they do seem a bit crackpot like.

I doubt he did much of the data analysis to be fair.

What's the problem with it? He picked fairly robust metrics and those are the results which are there to be disproven now if someone fancies the challenge.

[Cerbie]

We'll probably get fined for being so testy in that update. How dare we speak to them like that.

Maybe in the past, but the statement is very well written & carefully worded. It is directed at PGMOL and not the PL or FA, & the officials have no authority to issue a fine to the club.

If the PL or FA were to try, then it would likely be for bringing the game into disrepute, and I think that horse bolted when the VAR officials upheld the on field offside call and disallowed the goal…

When you factor in 3 of the 6 match day officials were in the UAE, on the City owners payroll just 48 hours before our game, any push back in the form of a fine for LFC would likely see our American owners double down on the legal front and trigger then to take it to CAS.

[Fosterbloke]

Why is no one suggesting that VAR repeat the correct decision? That would have cleared everything up.

VAR: "Check complete - Decision is that it was onside and the goal stands."
REF: "Ok thanks" - Signals a goal.

So ****ing easy.

And I also wish more talking heads would highlight how good the open mic was in the Women's World Cup. It was so good to see clear and transparent decision making being communicated to the players and the fans. No surprise that it happened in a women's event.

[Cerbie]

I can't help but wonder what the club is wanting given the exploring our options. Given the admission that the laws of the game weren't upheld pushing that to it's limit would likely be the result being declared invalid, were that to happen there would be knock on implications for Jones and Jota's suspensions, which will start next weekend so there would be a limited time window for that.

I just don't see that happening though, but it is at the very least a good chip to bargain with.

I think they want a replay and the only way to do that without Spurs agreement is to go down this road. Your suggestion on the yellows and reds from the match being rescinded is the logical conclusion.

The FA would normally resolve appeals in the week after a game. Jones is looking at a 3 match ban unless we appeal - given the statement, I suspect we will be submitting an appeal that includes a breach of protocol in that way England presented Hopper with the still image as he approached the screen. It would also not surprise me if that appeal is deferred until the other issues around the game are resolved.

[danperkins]

The audio is what we all want to here, LFC deserve to hear it. I still don't get how "4" different people sitting in that var room haven't realised the ref has given off side & when the still image of the "lino with flag up" comes onscreen and even after Spurs set up for the free kick, aren't immediately in the ear of the ref saying hang on it's actually a goal. Also, the fact they can hear everything the ref and the lino are saying makes it even weirder. It's one of the most bizarre things i've ever seen in football.

[SB]

Why is no one suggesting that VAR repeat the correct decision? That would have cleared everything up.

VAR: "Check complete - Decision is that it was onside and the goal stands."
REF: "Ok thanks" - Signals a goal.

So ****ing easy.

And I also wish more talking heads would highlight how good the open mic was in the Women's World Cup. It was so good to see clear and transparent decision making being communicated to the players and the fans. No surprise that it happened in a women's event.

It’s not rocket science is it

[frank the tank]

When the ref got told of the error straight after the game restarted (next time it went out of play for a throw??) i dont know why he didn't blow the whistle, walk over to both managers, and just explain the whole thing. Say to both Ange and Jurgen, "look, someone made a huge **** up there but that goal should have stood. By the rules of the game, we cant now go back and award the goal because the games been restarted. But there is nothing stopping Spurs making this good...... "

I think Ange might have said" yeah ok" and got his team to score an og.

[Exiled_red]

Why is no one suggesting that VAR repeat the correct decision? That would have cleared everything up.

VAR: "Check complete - Decision is that it was onside and the goal stands."
REF: "Ok thanks" - Signals a goal.

So ****ing easy.

And I also wish more talking heads would highlight how good the open mic was in the Women's World Cup. It was so good to see clear and transparent decision making being communicated to the players and the fans. No surprise that it happened in a women's event.

I've said all along we should have the rugby system and noted since Saturday's game that the last dialogue you usually hear is "So am I safe to give the try" or something similar, to which their equivalent of VAR will confirm. Then the onfield decision is indicated.

The other thing that isn't getting enough of a mention is that there is an assistant VAR official in the room, (plus a could of video directors who aren't officially involved in the decision) what the **** was he doing? While this type of confusion shouldn't occur, you can accept that one person might get a bit confused, but surely the other person should be able to straighten them out.The chances of two people making the same error should be almost zero assuming that they are competent and that the system was followed, works and is fit for purpose.

The club needs the audio but I suspect they will be listening to see if the decision is discussed between the two VAR officials or not, if not clearly procedures aren't being followed. If both are under the same incorrect belief that the goal was given that suggests either there is a fundamental issue with VAR itself or the officials were negligent or incompetent neither of which reflects well on PGMOL for training or appointing them...

[RedReet]

He should stick to being a writer and not try to be a data analyst. I don’t think his overcomplicated theories have much merit and they do seem a bit crackpot like.

I haven't had the time to read it yet, but from previous articles it shows that we are clearly not being officiated the same way as other teams. That's not and theory, it's fact and that was long before Saturday's debacle. How can that not have much merit? Why is there not a conversation to be had as to why this is?