Spurs Away thread

[RichC]

The audio is what we all want to here, LFC deserve to hear it. I still don't get how "4" different people sitting in that var room haven't realised the ref has given off side & when the still image of the "lino with flag up" comes onscreen and even after Spurs set up for the free kick, aren't immediately in the ear of the ref saying hang on it's actually a goal. Also, the fact they can hear everything the ref and the lino are saying makes it even weirder. It's one of the most bizarre things i've ever seen in football.

The explanation that's been given doesn't really hold up to any sort of scrutiny. He thought the goal had been given whilst the lino has his flag up and everyone else knows it's been flagged for offside.

What's really mental is Webb is going to be apparently carrying out an investigation, surely he should be part of that investigation as under his watch the standard of officiating has actuall (somehow!) got worse.

[Fivex]

Yep, and Webb signed off the UAE gig for those VAR refs remember.

[Kenneth]

Forget the ‘conflict of interest’ talk, how is a no-doubt highly paid gig in the UAE not simply regarded as a bribe?

[labourRed]

Forget the ‘conflict of interest’ talk, how is a no-doubt highly paid gig in the UAE not simply regarded as a bribe?

I'd argue those in the media also have a conflict of interest in keeping a status quo while pocketing a salary that is perhaps up to 10x they would otherwise be entitled to.

[Scratch]

Why is no one suggesting that VAR repeat the correct decision? That would have cleared everything up.

VAR: "Check complete - Decision is that it was onside and the goal stands."
REF: "Ok thanks" - Signals a goal.

So ****ing easy.

I imagine that will be one of the 'findings' of their internal enquiry.

When the ref got told of the error straight after the game restarted (next time it went out of play for a throw??) i dont know why he didn't blow the whistle, walk over to both managers, and just explain the whole thing. Say to both Ange and Jurgen, "look, someone made a huge **** up there but that goal should have stood. By the rules of the game, we cant now go back and award the goal because the games been restarted. But there is nothing stopping Spurs making this good...... "

I think Ange might have said" yeah ok" and got his team to score an og.

Shame the ref froze in this situation tho, cos that would have been a perfect suggestion.

[RichC]

I'd argue those in the media also have a conflict of interest in keeping a status quo while pocketing a salary that is perhaps up to 10x they would otherwise be entitled to.

Absolutely, I wonder if Neville would be taking this stance if his paymasters weren't Sky. I have feeling not

[Big-Red-Ed]

I'm still perplexed that after the ref learnt of the monumental **** up he continued to stick the boot in

YNWA

[Cerbie]

I haven't had the time to read it yet, but from previous articles it shows that we are clearly not being officiated the same way as other teams. That's not and theory, it's fact and that was long before Saturday's debacle. How can that not have much merit? Why is there not a conversation to be had as to why this is?

Maybe the club can re-engage Michael Edwards to look at the analysis and write a report - or are we risking a repeat of the Rafa Facts rant...

[Cerbie]

I'm still perplexed that after the ref learnt of the monumental **** up he continued to stick the boot in

YNWA

Doubling down when you know you ****ed up isn't a good look. All 11 yellow cards came after the disallowed goal too.

[Cerbie]

Yep, and Webb signed off the UAE gig for those VAR refs remember.

As did the FA apparently - so a truly independent investigation is required.

[rudedog]

As did the FA apparently - so a truly independent investigation is required.

Who will enforce that though? It's a closed shop

[Exiled_red]

When the ref got told of the error straight after the game restarted (next time it went out of play for a throw??) i dont know why he didn't blow the whistle, walk over to both managers, and just explain the whole thing. Say to both Ange and Jurgen, "look, someone made a huge **** up there but that goal should have stood. By the rules of the game, we cant now go back and award the goal because the games been restarted. But there is nothing stopping Spurs making this good...... "

I think Ange might have said" yeah ok" and got his team to score an og.

That is one option but the other thing is surely the VAR room realise that the mistake has been made at the point the game is setup to restart or kicks off, surely at that point you are screaming down the ref's ear piece that there has been a mistake "Stop!" I would be interested to hear the VAR room conversation and what if anything was said to the ref.

And I know that this is technically not in the rules but surely the correct thing to do is the ref to blow his whistle shop the game 5 seconds or whatever into the restart and explain there had been a miscommunication. VAR show the images to the stadium/TV give the goal and restart properly. Surely breaking the rules about stopping the game and giving the correct decision is more important than letting a game changing decision ruin the match and dealing with this fall out? In terms of damage limitation surely this is the best option?

Not sure how long between the replay and the ball going out of play when there is seemingly communication with the ref but again assuming no major incidents occurred in the 30 seconds or whatever still seems a less bad option or the common sense option, even though it is technically not in the rules but this is (hopefully) a unique incident and you need damage limitation.

[Cerbie]

That is one option but the other thing is surely the VAR room realise that the mistake has been made at the point the game is setup to restart or kicks off, surely at that point you are screaming down the ref's ear piece that there has been a mistake "Stop!" I would be interested to hear the VAR room conversation and what if anything was said to the ref.

And I know that this is technically not in the rules but surely the correct thing to do is the ref to blow his whistle shop the game 5 seconds or whatever into the restart and explain there had been a miscommunication. VAR show the images to the stadium/TV give the goal and restart properly. Surely breaking the rules about stopping the game and giving the correct decision is more important than letting a game changing decision ruin the match and dealing with this fall out? In terms of damage limitation surely this is the best option?

Not sure how long between the replay and the ball going out of play when there is seemingly communication with the ref but again assuming no major incidents occurred in the 30 seconds or whatever still seems a less bad option or the common sense option, even though it is technically not in the rules but this is (hopefully) a unique incident and you need damage limitation.

100% correct, however VAR has never been there to make the correct decision has it??

[Cerbie]

Who will enforce that though? It's a closed shop

an agreed arbitrator, UEFA or CAS.

[razortoddy]

I used to be in the BB and one of the lieutenants was a First Division refereee. He told us about an incident that happened during a game (not sure if it was a league match) when a forward shot, it hit the post and came out into play. The game continued for a few minutes and then there was a stoppage. The linesman ( this was over 50 years ago) told him that the the ball had hit the stanchion not the post.Arthur, the ref, immediately blew his whistle and gave a goal. Has the law been changed from then to the present day or was this an individual using common sense?