Toulouse (A) Europa League

[Exiled_red]

Let’s not be arsenal about it. It wasn’t a valid goal, VAR didn’t **** up, we just lost and it’s tempting to use the ref as an excuse. We were bad, they were better.

We were **** and didn't deserve anything from the game, but I haven't seen a goal ruled out for something like that in the build up, particularly so far back in the build up, so the decision on that basis is at least questionable.

Feel sorry for the guy thinking you have scored your first goal in such circumstances only to see it disallowed for that.

[Kenneth]

Apparently yeah. And there was about 20 touches after.

I thought it wasn't handball if it hits another part of your body and bounces on to the arm. It didn't give him an advantage

It stopped him miscontrollimg the ball.


Anyway, I think he handled the ball, VAR spotted it and it was fairy disallowed imo, otherwise we’d be celebrating getting away with a handball which isn’t a fair outcome. I won’t mention it again because it will make some people annoyed.

But Jesus Christ, we were worse with the subs on than before and scored from a bizarre own goal. Terrible all round.

[danperkins]

Let’s not be arsenal about it. It wasn’t a valid goal, VAR didn’t **** up, we just lost and it’s tempting to use the ref as an excuse. We were bad, they were better.

Apparently VAR did **** up though

[Mark79]

I’ll never understand this apologist ‘we didn’t deserve anything anyway’ attitude.

Scraping results from bad performances is part of the game.

Playing badly doesn’t excuse arbitrary officiating.

[labourRed]

What? That wasn’t an incidental contact leading to a goal, it was a clear handball by our player in the buildup, in the same phase of play.

Nope. Var doesn't cover that.

https://theathletic.com/4222756/2021/03/05/accidental-handball-in-build-up-to-a-goal-no-longer-considered-an-offence/

[Kenneth]

Apparently VAR did **** up though

I don’t know how far back that are allowed to go, but it sounds like one of the arbitrary VAR rules that make VAR so annoying. ‘We should have been allowed to get away with a handball in the build up to the goal because the rules say…’ isn’t an argument I’m prepared to make. Particularly in a game against a second rate French side in a second rate completion when we fluked one off the back of a defender and deserved little else. I saw it in real time and the officials should have too,

[Tatterdemalion]

As I understood it, VAR is supposed to correct obvious errors. I get Kenneth's point, but I don't think that was an obvious error. I think it was a potentially contentious point of play in a long period of play that led to a goal, in my opinion a valid one, because allowing play to continue from that point was not obviously wrong. But then I accept I am an amateur.

[danperkins]

Nope. Var doesn't cover that.

https://theathletic.com/4222756/2021...ed-an-offence/

So are we actually dealing with a ref who doesn't know the rules of the game

[Tatterdemalion]

But yeh, kind of moot point. We didn't deserve anything, and we got what we deserved.

[danperkins]

I don’t know how far back that are allowed to go, but it sounds like one of the arbitrary VAR rules that make VAR so annoying. ‘We should have been allowed to get away with a handball in the build up to the goal because the rules say…’ isn’t an argument I’m prepared to make. Particularly in a game against a second rate French side in a second rate completion when we fluked one off the back of a defender and deserved little else.

We were ****e but rules are rules. What's more worrying is that the ref doesn't seem to know about this.

[Kenneth]

We were ****e but rules are rules. What's more worrying is that the ref doesn't seem to know about this.

Rules are rules, yes. And the rule is that you can’t use you arm to control the ball. May have been a clumsy way to get there, but the right decision was reached ultimately, and that’s more important than arbitrary VAR rules, as we all argued after spurs.

I know I said I wouldn’t mention it again, soz.

[Kenneth]

Nope. Var doesn't cover that.

https://theathletic.com/4222756/2021...ed-an-offence/

I don’t think this counts as accidental handball though. That rule was about inadvertent contact with the hand/arm which was brought in, was stupid and then dropped again. There was one where a defender cleared the ball off the line straight onto sterling’s arm and it went in and was disallowed, that kind of thing. This was just a regular common-all-garden handball, the player using his arm to help him control the ball.

[Exiled_red]

I’ll never understand this apologist ‘we didn’t deserve anything anyway’ attitude.

Scraping results from bad performances is part of the game.

Playing badly doesn’t excuse arbitrary officiating.

[Exiled_red]

We were ****e but rules are rules. What's more worrying is that the ref doesn't seem to know about this.

[Mark79]

I don’t think this counts as accidental handball though. That rule was about inadvertent contact with the hand/arm which was brought in, was stupid and then dropped again. This was just a regular common-all-garden handball, the player using his arm to help him control the ball.

The current rule states that it isn’t a handball offence if it deflects off another part of the player’s body onto the arm. It went off Mac Allister’s chest onto his arm.