Arsenal (h) Premier League

[Exiled_red]

Dermot Gallagher on the penalty, it should have been given and what he thinks it wasn't.

https://www.empireofthekop.com/2023/...senal-penalty/

It seems difficult to believe that the VAR officials don't/might not have the right angle or aren’t looking at it from that angle. If that really is true then the system isn't fit for purpose.

[Norbs]

Was that a stock photo of Jimmy Somerville?

[BG1973]

Without VAR you can accept a non penalty decision because it's just human error based on a split second moment.

The fact with VAR they still get it wrong just makes you wonder how and calls the whole game into question.

Personally I'd like to see it binned off completely.

[rudedog]

Yeah I genuinely thought VAR would bring a huge improvement, it's ridiculous how badly it's been implemented and we would be better off without it (in it's current state).

It's interesting how other countries/sports seem to have integrated it without the complete incompetence that we have seen in the EPL.

[Rich]

Use the semi automated offside system and bin everything else.

[Mark79]

Yeah I genuinely thought VAR would bring a huge improvement, it's ridiculous how badly it's been implemented and we would be better off without it (in it's current state).

It's interesting how other countries/sports seem to have integrated it without the complete incompetence that we have seen in the EPL.

Have they? I regularly see examples of VAR cocks ups from other countries.

[Kenneth]

I can’t get my head around a system where the person with the most information, the replays, the cameras and the time, doesn’t have the final say on what happened, or why the decision in real-time from one limited perspective has any bearing on the final decision.

[Exiled_red]

I can’t get my head around a system where the person with the most information, the replays, the cameras and the time, doesn’t have the final say on what happened, and why the decision in real-time from one limited perspective has any bearing on the final decision.

It all comes about from the system whole being designed to protect the on field officials, rather than being about getting the right decisions - which is what everyone except PGMOL wants

[BG1973]

It all comes about from the system whole being designed to protect the on field officials, rather than being about getting the right decisions - which is what everyone except PGMOL wants

It's total BS. But even if they address that the ****ing idiots still get the basic decision making wrong, like on Sat.

If you still can't trust the human behind the screen to get it right then just bin it and accept the real time human errors.

[Scratch]

Bin VAR on penalty decisions not given at the time, and introduce a captain's challenge, one per half (not used if challenge is successful).

[Exiled_red]

Bin VAR on penalty decisions not given at the time, and introduce a captain's challenge, one per half (not used if challenge is successful).

I have thought about challenges etc. But I can't think of how they would work, surely a challenge is a team enforced VAR review for an incident that VAR wasn't already looking at, the Boly 2nd yellow would be the type of situation it would be needed for or Jota 2nd yellow earlier in the season, not sure the authorities would want that as it extends/changes the remit. For incidents like the handball on Saturday reviews are pointless as VAR has already looked at it.

[Assassin]

It’ll never be foolproof until AI is used and the brown envelopes dissapear

[red g]

Yeah I genuinely thought VAR would bring a huge improvement, it's ridiculous how badly it's been implemented and we would be better off without it (in it's current state).

It's interesting how other countries/sports seem to have integrated it without the complete incompetence that we have seen in the EPL.

We really did not take into account how arrogant our referees are.

I wonder if its a british thing or a referee thing.

Your right though, A complete shake up is needed as it will never be fit for purpose in its current guise

[Kenneth]

Bin VAR on penalty decisions not given at the time, and introduce a captain's challenge, one per half (not used if challenge is successful).

VAR is reluctant to overturn the decisions of refs at times they’re mandated to check, there would be an inbuilt bias against the challenge (to authority) and a motivation to defend the referee’s decision (it will be theirs next week). Essentially, referees can’t be trusted to correct referees fairly.

For me, you either let the onfield ref make the calls (offside excluded) and deal with errors after the match via proper performance management, or you put major decisions in the hands of the VAR and take the onfield ref out of them. Second yellows, straight reds, penalties would be solely up to VAR to call and the onfield ref would simply be the enforcer. I’d like to see if the latter can be made to work, and if not, ditch the lot but offside calls.

[vlahka]

If supporters of all clubs started yelling as one they might start listening. Because right now if a player or manager says anything they get fined. They cant fine us.