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  • danperkins
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    Originally posted by Doc_Piptorious View Post
    Been discussed many time, but I really don't think it is amazing at all.

    One we are a club that tends to be clow to sack managers, especially those with some credit in the bank.

    Secondly, and possibly the closest to the truth, would be that if we do want a change then the guy we want simply is not willing or able to move until the summer.


    You know what would be wild though. Us winning the CL this year and then Slot handing in his notice after the final having won the league and CL in back to back seasons.
    we're getting knocked out tonight mate

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  • Doc_Piptorious
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    Originally posted by Norbs View Post
    Maybe I should've raised the Financial bar a bit to include Salah, Mane, Wjinaldum, Fabinho and Jota. My point should've been more about him improving players than the cost

    All those players did improve under Klopp but we also bought all of them after they have been player of the year (or in the running for it) that season at their respective clubs. Plus they were all in the 30m to 50m bracket which would probably be players in the 60m to 100m bracket these days.


    Think the first three in particular did sky rocket under Klopp though. Wijnaldum in particular as he went from being an attacking midfielder/winger to being a high class CM.

    Fabinho was already excelling to a very high level at league and Champions league level when we got him. Think his reading of the game got better with us, but think he would have gained the experience for that to happen anyway. He just looked that good at Monaco.


    Jota is an interesting one. He did look better with us, but then again he was surrounded by far better players than he was at Wolves so he went from being the guy that often carried his team with goals and assists to being a guy in a team of equals (and betters in some cases).

    Think guys like Robertson or Matip would be better examples of guys that turned from promising or good to being world class under Klopp.

    What is interesting under Klopp is how many of the cheaper players, with only a few exceptions, went on to be nothing more than filler for us before moving on whereas our success hit rate with the more expensive transfers was crazy good with only a few exceptions.

    Do have a feeling that our bigger money transfers from the Slot era will also turn out to be equally good signings though under what manager I have no idea.

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  • Norbs
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    Originally posted by Catrin View Post
    Klopp did that with Robbo certainly. Slot arguably transformed Gravenberch last season, then transformed him back again but still…
    Maybe I should've raised the Financial bar a bit to include Salah, Mane, Wjinaldum, Fabinho and Jota. My point should've been more about him improving players than the cost

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  • Scratch
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    Originally posted by BG1973 View Post
    Not harsh at all, unless he's been instructed never to pass outside then it's selfish brain dead football.
    He does pass outside, as seen when Robbo plays or last season with Diaz, as I think both of them are a lot more vocal in demanding the ball, whereas Kerkez is making the runs and just expecting to be found.

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  • Catrin
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    Originally posted by Norbs View Post
    Klopp could sign a player for £10m and mould him in to a worldie, Slot might have a style of play but there no sign that he can make any player better or has an ethos about him. He's the least FSG manager, a really odd appointment
    Klopp did that with Robbo certainly. Slot arguably transformed Gravenberch last season, then transformed him back again but still…

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  • Norbs
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    Originally posted by Corndog View Post
    Too many injury prone players were signed as well.

    In general, I don’t like the idea of spending close to 100 mil on a player because even if they have the quality, they are all one bad injury away from never regaining it.

    It seems a smarter bet to me to sign more players in a cheaper bracket (40-65mil)

    You can still get very very good players for that sort of money.

    There isn’t enough pace in the team anymore, particularly in the wide areas
    Klopp could sign a player for £10m and mould him in to a worldie, Slot might have a style of play but there no sign that he can make any player better or has an ethos about him. He's the least FSG manager, a really odd appointment

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  • BG1973
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    Not harsh at all, unless he's been instructed never to pass outside then it's selfish brain dead football.

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  • Scratch
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    Originally posted by BG1973 View Post
    You can add not losing Gakpo to that list.
    Harsh that, last season Gakpo was played in rotation but still had a good goal/assist output. But I think that losing Diaz and Jota, and Isak being injured, has meant that this season Gakpo has been over-played and is nowhere near as mentally/physically sharp as a result, leading to poor decision making on the field.

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  • BG1973
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    Originally posted by Yozza View Post
    Not a chance - even without the injuries it takes time for a team to gel but you can't ignore the following:

    Losing Jota
    Losing Diaz
    Losing Bradley
    Losing Leoni
    Salah has been ****
    VVD has dropped off a cliff
    Macca - ditto above
    Ibou - ditto above
    Isak hasn't got going at all through one reason or another
    Frimpong has been so injury prone
    Wirtz & Kerkez being thrown in without being given the time to acclimatise to being at LFC
    Alisson being injured

    You simply cant ignore the above - it's been as **** season & Slot has to take more than his share of the blame but there are certain exonerating circumstances

    Also Slot has been completely blind to the way the game has become so set piece based & his style of football can't deal with it & he hasn't been able to figure it out - not sure if he ever will tbh

    I'd have been happy with a CL spot & hopeful of some silverware at the start of the season - still think we'll struggle for either

    You can add not losing Gakpo to that list.

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  • Mark79
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    Originally posted by Doc_Piptorious View Post
    Good job, buddy.
    You know it

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  • baitman
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    Get the tapas ready. Role for benitez as some sort of upstairs interpretor?

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  • peterbread
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    Looks like he’s not going back to Spain.

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  • Doc_Piptorious
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    Originally posted by Mark79 View Post
    In what way? Smug? Superior? Handsome?

    Good job, buddy.

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  • Mark79
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    Originally posted by Doc_Piptorious View Post
    Wow! Turns out he is actually leaving.




    My previous post just makes me feel like Mark79 now
    In what way? Smug? Superior? Handsome?

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  • Doc_Piptorious
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    Seems he has been linked to a move to Spain due to his family being homesick.

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