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    We're a very average, uninspiring, one dimensional side

    It’s only the presence of Steven Gerrard that occasionally lifts us out of this state of mediocrity, unfortunately, we're as close to being a 'one man team' as is physically possible.

    If it wasn’t for our captain, the sad, but brutally harsh reality is, year in, year out, we would be scraping about in the hustle and bustle of mid table. I genuinely dread to think where on earth this football club would be without Gerrard, he’s dragged us kicking and screaming through the last five years, the fact that many fans openly claim they would prefer the 30 or 40 million, is quite simply mind boggling…

    To quote Jamie Carragher… "I've said before I wouldn't swap anyone for Steven Gerrard. If you brought anyone into our team, whether it be Kaka or Ronaldinho, and took Gerrard out, we'd be a weaker team."

    The past two games have illustrated this point more than any other. In both matches we spent the best part of an hour, huffing and puffing, playing Rafa’s ‘compact’ football, aimlessly driving balls up to Crouch and Kuyt and generally looking completely devoid of any pace, creativity or invention. Our last two matches would have almost certainly finished 0-0, were it not for our skipper, who is so obviously a class above every other player in our squad, it’s almost embarrassing, his two goals were superbly well taken, he's nearing his best form once again. Our current style of football is as bad, if not worse, than anything I ever saw under Houllier, we’re probably the most defensive side in the League, by quite some distance.

    And, do you want to know something? It bores me out of my ****ing mind.

    In fact, I’d go further than that, much further than that, I *hate* watching us play.

    People talk a lot about the ‘lack of atmosphere’ at Anfield these days, did it ever occur to anyone that it’s almost impossible to get excited or involved watching the kind of mind-numbingly tedious football we have been subjected to, week in, week out for the best part of ten years ?

    Besides, who can genuinely claim to get *excited* about the ‘race for fourth place’ ?

    Our lack of movement up front is quite frankly my biggest concern with the current side, and a major, major weakness that needs to be addressed and put right, sooner rather than later. We’re so static up front, it’s untrue, and our side is positively screaming for a player, who possesses even the vaguest level of imagination in the final third. Pongolle and Cisse (who is back in full training by the way) are not world class footballers, they’re not the answer to all our problems, it’s debateable whether they were ever good enough to play for Liverpool club, but, without question, they would both be in my first choice side to face Portsmouth on Wednesday night, that is if Rafa hadn’t let them go without a penny back in return, of course. Why so ? Because they offer infinitely more going forward than Pennant, Bellamy, Gonzalez, Crouch etc combined, they, especially Djib, offer something ‘exciting’, a refreshing element of surprise, a bit of raw energy, pace, design. I’m sick and tired of watching ****e, robotic, footballers being given no end of praise, just because they ‘work hard’....

    I’d love to say I trust Rafa Benitez with the future of this football club, but I don’t. Any trust I still maintain comes from the genius of Steven Gerrard, and Anfield’s ability to rouse itself for the big European nights. I still think we’ll win trophies under Rafa, in fact, our style of football dictates that, in the cups at least, we’ll always, always be a difficult side to beat, in fact, still I fancy us to lift something this season.

    But will we ever win the Premiership under Benitez ? No, we wont.

    It’s nothing to do with money, we’ve spent almost 250 million pounds over the past ten years on players, (Rafa’s had 80 million alone), that’s infinitely more than Arsenal, and not a great deal less than Manchester United, it’s not our fault Houllier and Benitez have pissed the vast majority of it away on players that were no where near good enough to mount a title challenge. For ****’s sake, we came closer to lifting the title under Roy Evans than we ever have done under the most recent two men in charge and at least we played good, attacking, ambitious football back then……

    It’s a great shame and a source of real sadness to me that our greatest, proudest and most historic achievement, our eighteen league titles, will be, without doubt, surpassed by Man Utd, in the not too distant future, five years maybe, ten maximum.

    I don’t care about the time or money I place into this football club, it’s the emotional investment that kills me, I’m not saying this to be controversial or contentious, and I apologise for the rather scattered, ‘rant’ nature of this post, but It’s just how I feel, I’m not losing interest in this club, that’s impossible, I’ve been well and truly sucked in, beyond all reverse. But I am losing faith, confidence and assurance with our current squad and manager. Steven Gerrard is the only bright spark dragging me from a state of complete apathy when I watch us play….

    And all this after a win and a clean sheet, eh ? How depressing.

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      #3
      You know that's actually one of your better posts, while it's my nature to lambaste it for it suicidal tone, there are definately a lot of truths there.

      However, it doesn't explain for our fantastic finish to last season, If we'd started this season the way we finished the last we'd be up there at the top no doubt. The problem is we've stuttered and this for me is partly down to money, if we'd had more cash at our disposal we would have been able to bring more quality into the line up.

      Now whether that quality would have helped us avoid the slump we were in is questionable, but we are in a period of transition and i'm prepared to give it time.

      As for the quality of the football, well Chelsea play some of the most boring football ever but their fans weren't complaining about the 2 league titles last time I checked.

      Like i said you bring up some good points, but they aren't balanced.
      Last edited by Morph; 27-11-06, 11:15 PM.
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        #4
        Originally posted by anfieldanfield
        It’s only the presence of Steven Gerrard that occasionally lifts us out of this state of mediocrity, unfortunately, we're as close to being a 'one man team' as is physically possible.

        If it wasn’t for our captain, the sad, but brutally harsh reality is, year in, year out, we would be scraping about in the hustle and bustle of mid table. I genuinely dread to think where on earth this football club would be without Gerrard, he’s dragged us kicking and screaming through the last five years, the fact that many fans openly claim they would prefer the 30 or 40 million, is quite simply mind boggling…

        To quote Jamie Carragher… "I've said before I wouldn't swap anyone for Steven Gerrard. If you brought anyone into our team, whether it be Kaka or Ronaldinho, and took Gerrard out, we'd be a weaker team."
        hear hear!!


        The past two games have illustrated this point more than any other. In both matches we spent the best part of an hour, huffing and puffing, playing Rafa’s ‘compact’ football, aimlessly driving balls up to Crouch and Kuyt and generally looking completely devoid of any pace, creativity or invention. Our last two matches would have almost certainly finished 0-0, were it not for our skipper, who is so obviously a class above every other player in our squad, it’s almost embarrassing, his two goals were superbly well taken, he's nearing his best form once again. Our current style of football is as bad, if not worse, than anything I ever saw under Houllier, we’re probably the most defensive side in the League, by quite some distance.
        a slight exaggeration in the comparison with houlliers teams who were even more devoid of football than the current set up, but that aside you're spot on in my view.


        And, do you want to know something? It bores me out of my ****ing mind.
        me too!!


        In fact, I’d go further than that, much further than that, I *hate* watching us play.

        People talk a lot about the ‘lack of atmosphere’ at Anfield these days, did it ever occur to anyone that it’s almost impossible to get excited or involved watching the kind of mind-numbingly tedious football we have been subjected to, week in, week out for the best part of ten years ?

        Besides, who can genuinely claim to get *excited* about the ‘race for fourth place’ ?
        well its kind of like being knocked out of the FA Cup in the 3rd round, being forced to play all the other rounds anyhow, and expect us to get carried away about each FA Cup tie.


        Our lack of movement up front is quite frankly my biggest concern with the current side, and a major, major weakness that needs to be addressed and put right, sooner rather than later. We’re so static up front, it’s untrue, and our side is positively screaming for a player, who possesses even the vaguest level of imagination in the final third. Pongolle and Cisse (who is back in full training by the way) are not world class footballers, they’re not the answer to all our problems, it’s debateable whether they were ever good enough to play for Liverpool club, but, without question, they would both be in my first choice side to face Portsmouth on Wednesday night, that is if Rafa hadn’t let them go without a penny back in return, of course. Why so ? Because they offer infinitely more going forward than Pennant, Bellamy, Gonzalez, Crouch etc combined, they, especially Djib, offer something ‘exciting’, a refreshing element of surprise, a bit of raw energy, pace, design. I’m sick and tired of watching ****e, robotic, footballers being given no end of praise, just because they ‘work hard’....
        We part company here. Cisse was dross and lazy with it. There's no point having a Ferrari unless you switch the damn thing on. Likewise, there's no point having the pace and Cisse if he doesn't move his sorry arse, or just gets caught offside all the time. I certainly won't berate Rafa for getting rid of him. Probably my least favourite player from the last 10 years.

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          #5
          This is one of the worst, negatively deluded posts I've ever come across. When did you start supporting Liverpool Dave? In fact, when did you first come across football in general because you are talking absolute ****e.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Morphorino
            You know that's actually one of your better posts, while it's my nature to lambaste it for it suicidal tone, there are definately a lot of truths there.

            However, it doesn't explain for our fantastic finish to last season, If we'd started this season the way we finished the last we'd be up there at the top no doubt. The problem is we've stuttered and this for me is partly down to money, if we'd had more cash at our disposal we would have been able to bring more quality into the line up.

            Now whether that quality would have helped us avoid the slump we were in is questionable, but we are in a period of transition and i'm prepared to give it time.

            As for the quality of the football, well Chelsea play some of the most boring football ever but their fans weren't complaining about the 2 league titles last time I checked.

            Like i said you bring up some good points, but they aren't balanced.
            Rafa has had plenty of money to spend. The fact that he's used it to pad out the squad with expensive mediocrity is the problem... as it was with Houllier.

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              #7
              Originally posted by anfieldanfield
              It’s only the presence of Steven Gerrard that occasionally lifts us out of this state of mediocrity, unfortunately, we're as close to being a 'one man team' as is physically possible.

              If it wasn’t for our captain, the sad, but brutally harsh reality is, year in, year out, we would be scraping about in the hustle and bustle of mid table. I genuinely dread to think where on earth this football club would be without Gerrard, he’s dragged us kicking and screaming through the last five years, the fact that many fans openly claim they would prefer the 30 or 40 million, is quite simply mind boggling…

              To quote Jamie Carragher… "I've said before I wouldn't swap anyone for Steven Gerrard. If you brought anyone into our team, whether it be Kaka or Ronaldinho, and took Gerrard out, we'd be a weaker team."

              The past two games have illustrated this point more than any other. In both matches we spent the best part of an hour, huffing and puffing, playing Rafa’s ‘compact’ football, aimlessly driving balls up to Crouch and Kuyt and generally looking completely devoid of any pace, creativity or invention. Our last two matches would have almost certainly finished 0-0, were it not for our skipper, who is so obviously a class above every other player in our squad, it’s almost embarrassing, his two goals were superbly well taken, he's nearing his best form once again. Our current style of football is as bad, if not worse, than anything I ever saw under Houllier, we’re probably the most defensive side in the League, by quite some distance.

              And, do you want to know something? It bores me out of my ****ing mind.

              In fact, I’d go further than that, much further than that, I *hate* watching us play.

              People talk a lot about the ‘lack of atmosphere’ at Anfield these days, did it ever occur to anyone that it’s almost impossible to get excited or involved watching the kind of mind-numbingly tedious football we have been subjected to, week in, week out for the best part of ten years ?

              Besides, who can genuinely claim to get *excited* about the ‘race for fourth place’ ?

              Our lack of movement up front is quite frankly my biggest concern with the current side, and a major, major weakness that needs to be addressed and put right, sooner rather than later. We’re so static up front, it’s untrue, and our side is positively screaming for a player, who possesses even the vaguest level of imagination in the final third. Pongolle and Cisse (who is back in full training by the way) are not world class footballers, they’re not the answer to all our problems, it’s debateable whether they were ever good enough to play for Liverpool club, but, without question, they would both be in my first choice side to face Portsmouth on Wednesday night, that is if Rafa hadn’t let them go without a penny back in return, of course. Why so ? Because they offer infinitely more going forward than Pennant, Bellamy, Gonzalez, Crouch etc combined, they, especially Djib, offer something ‘exciting’, a refreshing element of surprise, a bit of raw energy, pace, design. I’m sick and tired of watching ****e, robotic, footballers being given no end of praise, just because they ‘work hard’....

              I’d love to say I trust Rafa Benitez with the future of this football club, but I don’t. Any trust I still maintain comes from the genius of Steven Gerrard, and Anfield’s ability to rouse itself for the big European nights. I still think we’ll win trophies under Rafa, in fact, our style of football dictates that, in the cups at least, we’ll always, always be a difficult side to beat, in fact, still I fancy us to lift something this season.

              But will we ever win the Premiership under Benitez ? No, we wont.

              It’s nothing to do with money, we’ve spent almost 250 million pounds over the past ten years on players, (Rafa’s had 80 million alone), that’s infinitely more than Arsenal, and not a great deal less than Manchester United, it’s not our fault Houllier and Benitez have pissed the vast majority of it away on players that were no where near good enough to mount a title challenge. For ****’s sake, we came closer to lifting the title under Roy Evans than we ever have done under the most recent two men in charge and at least we played good, attacking, ambitious football back then……

              It’s a great shame and a source of real sadness to me that our greatest, proudest and most historic achievement, our eighteen league titles, will be, without doubt, surpassed by Man Utd, in the not too distant future, five years maybe, ten maximum.

              I don’t care about the time or money I place into this football club, it’s the emotional investment that kills me, I’m not saying this to be controversial or contentious, and I apologise for the rather scattered, ‘rant’ nature of this post, but It’s just how I feel, I’m not losing interest in this club, that’s impossible, I’ve been well and truly sucked in, beyond all reverse. But I am losing faith, confidence and assurance with our current squad and manager. Steven Gerrard is the only bright spark dragging me from a state of complete apathy when I watch us play….

              And all this after a win and a clean sheet, eh ? How depressing.


              As Neil will say "It's only a game".

              Don't let this bad spell get you down.

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                #8
                "We’re so static up front, it’s untrue,"

                what in the name of God? Kuyt runs all over the ****ing place! as does Bellamy when he plays! Jesus Christ.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Nic83
                  "We’re so static up front, it’s untrue,"

                  what in the name of God? Kuyt runs all over the ****ing place! as does Bellamy when he plays! Jesus Christ.
                  Lol.

                  And you accuse others of not understanding football. Haha...

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by keniget
                    Lol.

                    And you accuse others of not understanding football. Haha...
                    He said they're 'static'. They're not. Only Crouch is. What are you getting at here. Are you blind?

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                      #11
                      i sympathise but i'm not sure i agree AA. if footie history teaches us anything it's that patience with new managers and managers experiencing difficulties is a long lot virtue. two of the most important managers of the last few decades - shanks and ferguson(sorry) - were bollox in their first few seasons. and they certainly weren't being lauded for their style of play, motivational qualities or tactics during their early reigns. ferguson appeared to have lost the plot recently but seems to have come good again.
                      i think we need the appropriate luxury of a bit more money to give benitez time to **** up - for example to not qualify for europe - and improve and learn.
                      in all honesty i'm ure we all thought that houllier would ****up th lyon job but he seems to have learned loads. i don't think he could have progressed here but maybe that's not a reflection on him.
                      give rafa 5 years and the money to challenge those at the top - then judge him. we're uninspired and no-dimensional at the moment but somewhere in there is the team and system that rafa has in his head. hopefully it's a team comprised of the latter half of last seaon with the team of the first half against galatasaray - now don't tell me that that's not mouthwatering.
                      kuyt is class, agger is class, gerrard is class, gonzalez will learn, crouch is better than we'd ever have guessed, and so on... patience brothers and sisters.
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by keniget
                        Lol.

                        And you accuse others of not understanding football. Haha...
                        And you obviously don't understand the first thing about football.
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by keniget
                          Rafa has had plenty of money to spend. The fact that he's used it to pad out the squad with expensive mediocrity is the problem... as it was with Houllier.
                          not at all mate think about it

                          Rafa goes to the board and says I want 2 strikers, a right winger, a left back and a right back

                          Of those the only one he got decent money for was Kuyt, he had to settle for a free left back, no right back, and had to compromise with his right winger and second striker. In fact we were so strapped for cash that the reason we missed out on a Right Back was because we had to wait for the 2 mil to come from a player sake and then wouldn't go any higher.

                          If the board had been able to fund those purchases we'd be in a much better spot, and Pennant definately wouldn't be on our books.
                          Thomas Hicks Senior

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by anfieldanfield
                            It’s only the presence of Steven Gerrard that occasionally lifts us out of this state of mediocrity, unfortunately, we're as close to being a 'one man team' as is physically possible.

                            If it wasn’t for our captain, the sad, but brutally harsh reality is, year in, year out, we would be scraping about in the hustle and bustle of mid table. I genuinely dread to think where on earth this football club would be without Gerrard, he’s dragged us kicking and screaming through the last five years, the fact that many fans openly claim they would prefer the 30 or 40 million, is quite simply mind boggling…
                            That much we agree on. I know who they are, and i find it hard to take them seriously.
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Morphorino
                              not at all mate think about it

                              Rafa goes to the board and says I want 2 strikers, a right winger, a left back and a right back

                              Of those the only one he got decent money for was Kuyt, he had to settle for a free left back, no right back, and had to compromise with his right winger and second striker. In fact we were so strapped for cash that the reason we missed out on a Right Back was because we had to wait for the 2 mil to come from a player sake and then wouldn't go any higher.

                              If the board had been able to fund those purchases we'd be in a much better spot, and Pennant definately wouldn't be on our books.
                              I'm not buying that.

                              No manager in the footballing world can go and demand 5 first team players, apart from perhaps Mourinho and Capello. The others have to be a bit cleverer in the transfer market.

                              He got Aurelio early... and I don't think it was out of necessity or desperation. He knew him from his Valencia days and he's very experienced, versatile and technically capable. On paper, a very good free transfer. Paletta was another signing that was sealed quite early, and we got a promising young player for about 2M. The Echo reported that we got Gonzalez for about 1.5M, which is peanuts. Promising young player with bags of potential... can't complain.

                              So there we've beefed up the squad with 3 players for a total of 3.5M discounting signing-on fee's.

                              We had Kuyt in our sights for around 10M, which fulfills one of the striker spots... that brings us to a total of around 13.5M.

                              So what are we lacking?

                              A right-winger, another striker and cover at right-back.

                              Well, as we all know, we don't have the money to go out and buy for all three positions, so this is where the manager (and board) have to earn their money.

                              We already had a striker on our books who managed 19 goals the previous season. We had another who had managed to turn important games for us in the past. If you can't afford a top striker - why not rely on two players who have shown that they can perform to a degree in the past, if only for another season till you can afford to bring someone else in? I am of course talking about Cisse and Pongolle. What has Bellamy produced thus far? **** all. Is he going to improve our first eleven in the long run? Is he ****. Therefore, he's just another expensive squad player that we'll end up relegating to the bench or selling. Let's think long term for a change.

                              So if we don't sign Bellamy... that leaves us with about 14M for a RW and a RB, instead of 8M. That would have secured us Alves who could've fulfilled both, plus we probably could've gotten Neill as well.

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