In a fecking nutshell....

[Craig_H]

I just thought that with a statement like this you obviously have someone in mind.

Surely you're not expecting Rafa to buy Rooney Saha or Ronaldo.
You do realise that that could never happen don't you?

Rooney probably not, but we could've had Saha or Ronaldo.

I appreciate it wasnt Rafa in charge then. But just like those before him, he seems to have a habit of going for the often cheaper, and pointless alternatives.

Walcott being a recent example.

Yes, i know he's brought in numbers to fill the gaps in the squad. But ultimately, how useful will they prove to be? Gonzalez? Pennant? About £10m spent there, and they'll ultimately prove to have had minimal impact, until they get moved on for about £4m combined.

[Red Chilli]

I think he's talking hypothetically, saying we need players like that rather than Pennant, Crouch, Gonzalez etc.

Ronaldo and Saha are obviosuly worth more now than what they paid for them, and of course they wouldn't come to us, he's not suggesting that.

So who is he suggests Rafa "fecking buys" then.

MY point is, there are no "goal scorers" for sale at the moment. I can't think of 1 outstanding candidate.

[redlancer]

Yeah, Scholes and Giggs have indeed mate.

But i'd settle for just our strikers scoring lots, maybe (if i'm being greedy), being supported by just one midfielder chipping in with a good tally.

wouldn't we all.

wouldn't say scum have a natural goal scorer, more a team setup to score lots of goals.

Bellamy and Kuyt can play off each other but neither looks to have that predator gene. And Crouch is too slow to play off Bellamy.

As for out and out goal scorers, if we could find one, we'd then have to have the funds to buy him and then if he wanted to come.

If we can get he wingers sorted this would help the forwards and maybe this is the way foreward.

[Red Chilli]

Rooney probably not, but we could've had Saha or Ronaldo.

I appreciate it wasnt Rafa in charge then. But just like those before him, he seems to have a habit of going for the often cheaper, and pointless alternatives.

Walcott being a recent example.

Yes, i know he's brought in numbers to fill the gaps in the squad. But ultimately, how useful will they prove to be? Gonzalez? Pennant? About £10m spent there, and they'll ultimately prove to have had minimal impact, until they get moved on for about £4m combined.

Walcott's not a "fecking goalscorer" mate.

[Craig_H]

Wlacott has hardly scored a load of goals this season, not enough to call him a goal scorer.

He's a player who has a spark and makes things happen. You wouldnt have called Ronaldo a goalscorer a few weeks back, but he does things that lead to goals. Currently he is scoring plenty himself, but even without that, his contrubution leads to goals.

I know i pin-pointed 'goalscorers', and that's one major issue, but the overriding problem is that too often we overspend average and turn our noses up at quality.

Walcott will be superb, wait and see.

[ElRobbie]

I didn't come out with the statement:



by making that statement, the onus is on DJS to give us an example.

Anyway, are you looking for an argument again because if you are you better look elsewhere because I'm not interested.

No mate, I'm just making a point that you like criticising other people's posts but you don't seem to have any answers yourself and you think everything is rosey.

It's a discussion, other people are allowed to contribute, if someone starts a thread it doesn't mean they have to be lambasted with ridicule, why don't you say something contsructive rather than just pulling apart other's people's posts?

Or, I'll say it again, do you think we can win the title with this formula and team?

PS. I'm not arguing with you, just defending the lad who I think is making a valid point, its debate.

[Red Chilli]

OK but you can't name me one realistic goal scorer target can you?
Therefore I think your criticism of Rafa is unjustified.

[Pepe]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Why didnt we spend £10 million on Henry?

The problem is there are so many holes in our team, we cant blow all our budget on one player.

[Craig_H]

So who is he suggests Rafa "fecking buys" then.

MY point is, there are no "goal scorers" for sale at the moment. I can't think of 1 outstanding candidate.

So why not keep our money safe until something materialises?

By spending it and getting ****e, we're not doing ourselves any favours and we'll continue telling ourselves we cant afford the top class players, because we already spent our kitty on rubbish.

[ElRobbie]

He's a player who has a spark and makes things happen. You wouldnt have called Ronaldo a goalscorer a few weeks back, but he does things that lead to goals. Currently he is scoring plenty himself, but even without that, his contrubution leads to goals.

I know i pin-pointed 'goalscorers', and that's one major issue, but the overriding problem is that too often we overspend average and turn our noses up at quality.

Walcott will be superb, wait and see.

Absolutely

[Red Chilli]

No mate, I'm just making a point that you like criticising other people's posts but you don't seem to have any answers yourself and you think everything is rosey.

It's a discussion, other people are allowed to contribute, if someone starts a thread it doesn't mean they have to be lambasted with ridicule, why don't you say something contsructive rather than just pulling apart other's people's posts?

Or, I'll say it again, do you think we can win the title with this formula and team?

PS. I'm not arguing with you, just defending the lad who I think is making a valid point, its debate.

But he can't come up with ONE realistic target.
What's the ****ing point? I might as well say

"For ****s sake Rafa, buy us a 40 goal a season striker and a goal keeper who never lets a goal in"

It's not that easy.

[Pepe]

So why not keep our money safe until something materialises?

By spending it and getting ****e, we're not doing ourselves any favours and we'll continue telling ourselves we cant afford the top class players, because we already spent our kitty on rubbish.

How long do we wait? one season, two seasons?

LFC expects improvement every season or moves to work towards improvement.

[Craig_H]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Why didnt we spend £10 million on Henry?

The problem is there are so many holes in our team, we cant blow all our budget on one player.

The reason there's so many holes, is because we sign rubbish who then get moved on, leaving the 'hole' to be filled.

If we spent what was necessary on top players, those holes would, one by one, be filled and for a long time. Sure it'd take a bit longer, but after a couple of years, we'd have a rather top drawer team.

This is Rafa's third year. 2 top class players per year = 6 top class players by now. And they dont HAVE to cost £20m each, look at Sissoko and Alonso.

But by backing them up with the Pennants and Gonzalezs of this world, we're going nowhere.

We have a good defence, 3 excellent midfielders and IMO one or two good, but not great strikers.

Say we have £30m to spend. Buy ONE brilliant striker and one brilliant winger. Then the following season, again use it on just TWO brilliant players.

Wouldnt take that long to turn what we have into a title-challenging side IMO.

[redlancer]

Rooney probably not, but we could've had Saha or Ronaldo.

I appreciate it wasnt Rafa in charge then. But just like those before him, he seems to have a habit of going for the often cheaper, and pointless alternatives.

Walcott being a recent example.

Yes, i know he's brought in numbers to fill the gaps in the squad. But ultimately, how useful will they prove to be? Gonzalez? Pennant? About £10m spent there, and they'll ultimately prove to have had minimal impact, until they get moved on for about £4m combined.

thought we had bid for Ronaldo tune of 4m but they got him for 12? And Ronaldo coming inot our team then would of been crucified, it took him time.

Speedy if we'd missed out on him we'd all of been saying if only he'd come we'd of been up there fighting. He was playing great stuff in Spain, this lad can be our Ronaldo.

We're all saying we should of spent the extra few million, providing we had it, on Alves instead of Pennant, OK would of been hard for Alves to do worse, but it could of happened then it would of been should of gone for Pennant cheaper and PL proven.

Players like Momo and Agger are the ones that might stop Rafa from spending as he needs the 5M here and there for when these come available.

[Guest]

Goalscoring is PART of our problems. We lack quality in wide areas, especially right wing where Pennant should be back up at most. We need someone like Alves and another attacking right back, not someone like Lucas Neil.

I've also noted our ball retention skills, which were very poor yesterday. We should pressurize the opposition in their own half, and most of that can be done by good passing and movement. Either we lack skill in that department, or we're having poor movement upfront, with Bellers who is running his socks off, i doubt that's the case.

As good as Xabi is, he is prone to the odd misplace pace and he tries the hollywood ball too often. Compare him to someone like Paul Scholes, who does the simple and economical pass look like Hollywood ones.