In a fecking nutshell....

[Guest]

You're right, i havent given a current example of a goalscorer. And maybe you're right about there not being many out there. But, my overriding point also applies to wingers. If there werent any, why did we spend £7m on Pennant and £3m on Gonzalez, when, for me, playing Warnock at LB, Riise at LM and Gerrard on the right of midfield would've cost us nothing, and still been better?

Now, you're going on a bender are you ?

How can Warnock and Riise be better than Gonzo and Aurelio ? Warnock is injury prone and Riise has been fecking poor this season. Gonzales and Aurelio HAVE strengthened our team no doubt, and they should not be made scapegoats for our poor away form this season.

Our passing has been awful at some times away from home and especially yesterday. We seem to adopt the 'chip and charge' tactics too many times with our passing and movement being more sideways than penetrating.

Goalscoring is part of our problems. Yes we would have won that match if we took our opportunities, but these chances have not been as clear cut as it was made to be seen.

[Craig_H]

Maybe the difference is we can't afford to blow all our cash on one player but Man Utd / Chelski can because if the player fails, they just go and buy another. They have more resources than us.
As for Arsenal examples, well their big signings in the transfer market come as a result of Wenger's genius to spot young players and then make them realise their potential giving them a strong squad for buttons.
So in summary, Man Utd/ Chelsea have more money and Arsenal have a manager who is a genius in the transfer market.

The more money aspect is obviously a valid point.

However, you say that if we mess up, we cant just go and buy another solution. But isnt that what we're gonna have to do anyway, with regards to RM and LM? Arguably up front too.

So it makes no real difference if the cockup was in buying one player for £15m or two players for £14m. Either way you'll have to replace them.

The main difference is that ONE £15m player is MORE likely to be good than a £7m player. Or even two.

[Craig_H]

Why do you think we haven't tried it?

You're using that as a method to justify not trying it.

I'm using 17 years without a title and a 16 point gap as a suggestion of why we should try it.

[Craig_H]

Now, you're going on a bender are you ?

How can Warnock and Riise be better than Gonzo and Aurelio ? Warnock is injury prone and Riise has been fecking poor this season. Gonzales and Aurelio HAVE strengthened our team no doubt, and they should not be made scapegoats for our poor away form this season.

Our passing has been awful at some times away from home and especially yesterday. We seem to adopt the 'chip and charge' tactics too many times with our passing and movement being more sideways than penetrating.

Goalscoring is part of our problems. Yes we would have won that match if we took our opportunities, but these chances have not been as clear cut as it was made to be seen.

Aurelio and Gonzo are average at best mate.

The point is, we're spending our kitty on however many players, and rarely coming out with anything that's much better than what we already have.

Isnt the idea of buying players, to improve on what you have?

[Red Chilli]

The more money aspect is obviously a valid point.

However, you say that if we mess up, we cant just go and buy another solution. But isnt that what we're gonna have to do anyway, with regards to RM and LM? Arguably up front too.

So it makes no real difference if the cockup was in buying one player for £15m or two players for £14m. Either way you'll have to replace them.

The main difference is that ONE £15m player is MORE likely to be good than a £7m player. Or even two.

But we can afford to buy another 7 million pound player rather than two 15 million pound players.

Unfortunately, in life, things are not as simple as you would like to make out. A 15 million pound player is not guarenteed to be better than a 7 million pound player.
For example Veron and Sissoko. Which would you prefer?

[Guest]

Can you see any of those three ever coming close to making the kind of impact a Ronaldo does? Or Robben?

I cant mate.

Probably not, but we have other qualities as well. Ronaldo may be an exceptional player, but Pennant has ability, albeit not as much as Ronaldo or Robben, but he needs to be more effective, thing that he hasn't done yet. He's flashed once or twice and he's gone missing once again.

[Craig_H]

But we can afford to buy another 7 million pound player rather than two 15 million pound players.

Unfortunately, in life, things are not as simple as you would like to make out. A 15 million pound player is not guarenteed to be better than a 7 million pound player.
For example Veron and Sissoko. Which would you prefer?

In the majority of cases, a £15m player is likely to be better. Veron is an extreme case, and is one of a few exceptions to the rule, as there always will be. But generally, you'll find the better players usually cost more.

But we can afford to buy another 7 million pound player rather than two 15 million pound players.

Eh? I said i'd rather we bought ONE £15m player than two £7m players.

[Red Chilli]

If football management was about spending the most money then we'd always be behind Chelsea and Man Utd.
It's not, Rafa believes in hard work and patience. The idea is to improve the players you buy, to bring out their potential.

[Guest]

Aurelio and Gonzo are average at best mate.

The point is, we're spending our kitty on however many players, and rarely coming out with anything that's much better than what we already have.

Isnt the idea of buying players, to improve on what you have?

Gonzales is a talented winger, with blinding pace and good technical ability. He only needs to adjust to the physical nature & high tempo of the premiership. Every new player struggle with that at first. As for Aurelio, he's no worse that Evra in that sense.

[Craig_H]

Probably not, but we have other qualities as well. Ronaldo may be an exceptional player, but Pennant has ability, albeit not as much as Ronaldo or Robben, but he needs to be more effective, thing that he hasn't done yet. He's flashed once or twice and he's gone missing once again.

I know you may feel otherwise, but i just put that down to Pennant not being all that good mate.

[Red Chilli]

Eh? I said i'd rather we bought ONE £15m player than two £7m players.

You mentioned the fact that you think we need to replace Pennant with another player so why not spend 15 million in the first place?
THe answer is, we couldn't afford to replace a 15 million pound flop but we can replace a 7 million pound flop.

[Pepe]

I was no Cisse fan, but even HE would be preferable to Pennant. Say what you will about Cisse, but he did make things happen from time to time. He had the tools to be an impact player and what's more, as much as he wasnt the answer, he did pop up with 19 goals. He isnt the answer, not by a long shot. But he's a damn sight better option than Pennant, not least because he wouldnt have required a FURTHER £7m being shelled out.

The comparison to Cisse would be Bellamy, rather than Pennant.

You obviously dont rate Pennant which is your opinion.

However why not use Reina , Agger, Alonso, Sissoko, Kuyt, Garcia, Bellamy as comparators rather than just looking at the negatives.

[Craig_H]

Gonzales is a talented winger, with blinding pace and good technical ability. He only needs to adjust to the physical nature high tempo game of the premiership. Every new player struggle with that at first. As for Aurelio, he's no worse that Evra in that sense.

Aurelio is average, Evra probably is too. But TBH, i'm not really pointing at free transfers and criticising them.

Gonzalez might be talented, but he wouldnt be the first talented player to fail.

Obviously something more is needed and thus far, he doesnt show many signs of having it.

[Craig_H]

The comparison to Cisse would be Bellamy, rather than Pennant.

You obviously dont rate Pennant which is your opinion.

However why not use Reina , Agger, Alonso, Sissoko, Kuyt, Garcia, Bellamy as comparators rather than just looking at the negatives.

The comparison is Cisse and Pennant - because Cisse played mostly on the right for us and so does Pennant.

[Kaip]

Well why don't you contribute then with something useful or constructive instead of just spouting one word ****e.

It's a very good point and I think it factual that we waste money on second rate players, prove him wrong, why don't you, tell us all why its bollocks?

Or why don't you just increase your useless post count with more one worders. :whatever:

Every manager waste`s money.............THATS a ****ing fact fella........BUT some clubs have alot more to waste...........WHICH tends to hide some of their failures in the transfer market


Add that to my ****ing post count :whatever: