Fernando Torres

[Daniel 7]

Carroll....

He must be looking at him really and think. "Well, I might be off form, but I am and always will be better than that..."

[Vermilion]

Seems incredible to think that Torres broke the records he did at lfc, and the players he beat, and in the side he played in comparison to some of them.

It's like he's cursed.

[Baracus]

Both Carroll and Torres must wish they never moved. At least Carroll put in a good shift in during the summer, getting pissed out of his head. Whats Torres excuse?

[wavydavy]

Last caller(Chelsea fan)on Talksport just advised us all to behold Torres' "sublime movement off the ball" Given short shrift by Collymore.

[Craig_H]

Last caller(Chelsea fan)on Talksport just advised us all to behold Torres' "sublime movement off the ball" Given short shrift by Collymore.

[Bender]

off to replace rooney with him in fantasy team.

yep me too

[spanky]

Suarez and Torres would have been an unbelievable strike force, he's a shell of the player who used to light up Anfield. I think he's just fell out of love with football.

[Mostar]

He played well last week but from what I saw of him today it was another backward step.

He must look at us - and Suarez - and feel a right chump

They didn't even try to get him involved but his performance wasn't even close to the one against Stokes. He did have one half chance and sent the ball way over the bar.

All in all meh today.

Only lasted 60 minutes.

[Cormack74]

A dip into Chelsea forum land gives us:

I know people get pissed off with me for bleating on here but Torres sold us a pup when he came here.

or:

Torres on the other hand, for whatever reason since his arrival at Chelsea, seems scared of staying within the box and constantly leaves us with no attacking threat.

or even:

He was ****e when he left Liverpool, he was ****e for Spain in the WC and he's been ****e pretty much all the time he's been here. What do I want from him?? How about a performance? How about a goal or two? He is the personification of the squad currently. Weak, ineffectual, slow and wants it handed on a plate for him. Not good enough. And if you think he's been worth the money and the wages then you are deluded.

[Mostar]

Let me ask a question.

If you could swap Torres for Carroll and let's say give Chavs additional 4-5m would you do it?

[Daniel 7]

Let me ask a question.

If you could swap Torres for Carroll and let's say give Chavs additional 4-5m would you do it?

Yes. in a heartbeat. Torres, Suarez, Downing and Kuyt would really get me going....

Add in Enrique, Johnson and Adam - THAT would be the team to beat. Carroll. Sorry. Never going to be in that class.

[wavydavy]

Let me ask a question.

If you could swap Torres for Carroll and let's say give Chavs additional 4-5m would you do it?

No. I'd gamble on Carroll becoming a player before I'd take him back. He's gone IMO. Horrible to watch him clumsily amble about the pitch trying to go past people. My anger & hatred is ever so slowly turning into sadness where FT is concerned. I think some are harsh on Carroll. Even when he's not playing well he's contributing and making defenders feel uncomfortable. The fee seems to cause him a lot of the **** he's getting which seems unfair to me. He'll never live up to that amount of money will he?

[Craig_H]

Nah, if torres isnt already washed up, he will be in a couple of years. Carroll is young and has sell-on value, if worse comes to worst. He can improve though, torres wont.

[Daniel 7]

Three years of Torres with a return to confidence, even at half capabilities is better than anything Carroll could ever offer.

Carroll won't last 3 years at Liverpool.

[wavydavy]

Nah, if torres isnt already washed up, he will be in a couple of years. Carroll is young and has sell-on value, if worst comes to worst. He can improve though, torres wont.

In a nutshell Carroll at 21/22 is about what he might become Torres is now about what he once was. Cannot believe people would want him back.