Jordan Henderson

[SB]

Clearly it's different to play for LFC than for Sunderland.

He won't be a "go-to-guy" (at least not initially) and as result his impact on the game will not be the same.

So he's not the Mesiah ?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjz16xjeBAA"]He's Not The Messiah - YouTube[/ame]

[Sebastian Rooks]

Mattshark "But he also had a very low assist rate and a low scoring rate, Kuyt had both more assists and more goals."


Yeah but Its not Henderson's fault if his team mates where not good enough to convert the chances he created last season. Also Kuyt spent 4 1/2 months upfront which was a large contributing factor to his tally of goals...

[Mostar]

So he's not the Mesiah ?

He's Not The Messiah - YouTube

[Mattshark]

Mattshark "But he also had a very low assist rate and a low scoring rate, Kuyt had both more assists and more goals."


Yeah but Its not Henderson's fault if his team mates where not good enough to convert the chances he created last season. Also Kuyt spent 4 1/2 months upfront which was a large contributing factor to his tally of goals...

Bent and Gyan are not bad forwards though (even if Bent was only there for a half the season) how good were those chances exactly?

[Cormack74]

I know it's the nature of the internet to make snap judgements but writing off Henderson after one game does strike me as a trifle premature.

[Mattshark]

I'm not writing him off, I just don't think he is presently as good as other players we have in our team.

[Lee]

I don't think anyone is really having a go at Henderson. However, there's a lot of questions surrounding his purchase.

1) Did we need him this season?
2) What area's does he actually excel in?
3) Is he better than what we currently have?

I don't think anyone here has said Henderson is ****, but I think people have issues with the points that I have listed above.

[Cormack74]

I'm not writing him off, I just don't think he is presently as good as other players we have in our team.

Not particularly aimed at you Matt, just a general point that occurs whilst reading this thread having been away for a couple of weeks.

[Cormack74]

I don't think anyone is really having a go at Henderson. However, there's a lot of questions surrounding his purchase.

1) Did we need him this season?
2) What area's does he actually excel in?
3) Is he better than what we currently have?

All valid of course, but I can't remember any of our other signings getting such a forensic level of examination so soon after joining.

Perhaps they did but I just can't recall it.

[Kenneth]

All valid of course, but I can't remember any of our other signings getting such a forensic level of examination so soon after joining.

Perhaps they did but I just can't recall it.

in what way is that a 'forensic' examination? The questions couldn't be any more basic.

[Cormack74]

It's just a word FFS.

*Note to self, level of pedantry is the same as when I left 2.5 weeks ago*

[The Birdman]

Henderson's 'problem' is that he is good at everything but spectacular at nothing. He is one of those players who you appreciate more once he has played regularly but he doesn't make an instant impact.
Because he doesn't smash into challenges, do fake fist clench's to the crowd, play 40 yard passes all game or pop up in the box with an amazing volley fans wonder what he does.

Wiw got it 100% correct, he is an 'old fashioned' or 'typical' Liverpool player.
Reminds me a lot of Ray Houghton, plays in that little inside right role or plays out to in from the right, bundles of energy, good economic use of the ball and will pop up with important goals and assists.

As the saying goes he's a players player, not a fans player.

Lee asked did we need him this season? the answer is probably not but this is what we used to do, buy players, integrate them into the squad and let them find their feet and blossom.

Kenny was often quoted last season about Carroll saying we brought him for 5 years hopefully longer not just for a few games, well he'll hope that we played £16m for someone who could easily spend 15 years here.

[Mattshark]

Henderson's 'problem' is that he is good at everything but spectacular at nothing. He is one of those players who you appreciate more once he has played regularly but he doesn't make an instant impact.
Because he doesn't smash into challenges, do fake fist clench's to the crowd, play 40 yard passes all game or pop up in the box with an amazing volley fans wonder what he does.

Wiw got it 100% correct, he is an 'old fashioned' or 'typical' Liverpool player.
Reminds me a lot of Ray Houghton, plays in that little inside right role or plays out to in from the right, bundles of energy, good economic use of the ball and will pop up with important goals and assists.

As the saying goes he's a players player, not a fans player.

Lee asked did we need him this season? the answer is probably not but this is what we used to do, buy players, integrate them into the squad and let them find their feet and blossom.

Kenny was often quoted last season about Carroll saying we bought him for 5 years hopefully longer not just for a few games, well he'll hope that we played £16m for someone who could easily spend 15 years here.

I'd say scoring is something he has not shown himself to be adept at.

[Lee]

Henderson's 'problem' is that he is good at everything but spectacular at nothing. He is one of those players who you appreciate more once he has played regularly but he doesn't make an instant impact.
Because he doesn't smash into challenges, do fake fist clench's to the crowd, play 40 yard passes all game or pop up in the box with an amazing volley fans wonder what he does.

Wiw got it 100% correct, he is an 'old fashioned' or 'typical' Liverpool player.
Reminds me a lot of Ray Houghton, plays in that little inside right role or plays out to in from the right, bundles of energy, good economic use of the ball and will pop up with important goals and assists.

As the saying goes he's a players player, not a fans player.

Lee asked did we need him this season? the answer is probably not but this is what we used to do, buy players, integrate them into the squad and let them find their feet and blossom.

Kenny was often quoted last season about Carroll saying we brought him for 5 years hopefully longer not just for a few games, well he'll hope that we played £16m for someone who could easily spend 15 years here.

Fair points there mate.

[RichC]

Henderson's 'problem' is that he is good at everything but spectacular at nothing. He is one of those players who you appreciate more once he has played regularly but he doesn't make an instant impact.
Because he doesn't smash into challenges, do fake fist clench's to the crowd, play 40 yard passes all game or pop up in the box with an amazing volley fans wonder what he does.

Wiw got it 100% correct, he is an 'old fashioned' or 'typical' Liverpool player.
Reminds me a lot of Ray Houghton, plays in that little inside right role or plays out to in from the right, bundles of energy, good economic use of the ball and will pop up with important goals and assists.

As the saying goes he's a players player, not a fans player.

Lee asked did we need him this season? the answer is probably not but this is what we used to do, buy players, integrate them into the squad and let them find their feet and blossom.

Kenny was often quoted last season about Carroll saying we brought him for 5 years hopefully longer not just for a few games, well he'll hope that we played £16m for someone who could easily spend 15 years here.

don't be daft and look at the long term bigger picture - it's all about the short term, here and now!