Jürgen Klopp

[Kenneth]

Squad players starting after match preparation in training is very different to changing 40% of your outfield players simultaneously after 70 mins though. It did work in earlier cup rounds because we were brining on players of far greater quality than those already on the pitch. Just drip feed the changes, give the team time to adjust to each one.

[Scratch]

You can argue tho that without Macca's brain fart, we brought on 4 subs and looked untroubled. Then they scored from that, and this got the crowd up and the players, and the 4 new players on the pitch had little to do with that, it was just a goal at the right time from a mistake by a player.

[DerKrampus]

Subs and squad players have worked out very well for us up until about a month ago. Since then, some poor in game decisions from Klopp have been made. Last night making those subs ****ed us.

He's done and unfortunately it's been such an anti climax end to his tenure, I think everyone just wants it to be over at this stage. The fella looks absolutely ****ed and needs out.

Anti-climax? Nah not having that, we've secured 3rd place and we're only a few points behind the eventual league winners. That's an excellent result if we consider where we were last season. And we've won a cup which is always a bonus. Oh and we've unearthed some serious youth talent.

[danperkins]

Anti-climax? Nah not having that, we've secured 3rd place and we're only a few points behind the eventual league winners. That's an excellent result if we consider where we were last season. And we've won a cup which is always a bonus. Oh and we've unearthed some serious youth talent.

In hindsight it's a decent season considering our squad but with us keeping pace in the league up until a month ago & ****ing it to United & Everton of all teams but especially with the Europa league which was there for the taking, it has been a very disappointing end to the season imo & a real crash back down to earth for all of us romantics thinking about a fairytale ending for Klopp at LFC. Personally I think we shat ourselves when it came to the crunch and didn't have what it takes to get it over the line.

[Doc_Piptorious]

In hindsight it's a decent season considering our squad but with us keeping pace in the league up until a month ago & ****ing it to United & Everton of all teams but especially with the Europa league which was there for the taking, it has been a very disappointing end to the season imo & a real crash back down to earth for all of us romantics thinking about a fairytale ending for Klopp at LFC. Personally I think we shat ourselves when it came to the crunch and didn't have what it takes to get it over the line.

Realistically it has been a good season.


Back in the CL and a trophy to boot.

Think most would have taken that in a heartbeat if offered it last August.


However in the more myopic and emotional here and now after the Villa game, we imo let a great chance to win the title slip away and I genuinely do think that we bottled it once we got the injured senior players back.


Do think that a number of senior players let the manager, team and themselves down badly when it was still in our own hands.

Talking senior players like VVD, TAA, Salah, and Diaz. When we needed the seniors to come back and to ride the wave the squaddies and younger players created, they instead huffed, puffed and looked disinterested at times.


Have left Robertson off that little list because I think regardless of being rusty and a bit off the pace in some games, his effort never dropped below 100%.


A lot of the younger players and newer players I would give a pass too as well as most of them gave their all and a lack of consistency is to be expe3cted more in their cases whereas the seniors are the ones we wanted to come back in and show why they get lauded as being world class and also to be the steady hands to guide the younger players.


Guys like Nunez can be knocked all people want to knock them, but the majority of our most knocked players are ones that whilst they might not have excelled like we hoped, they rarely if ever hid and rarely put in stroll about the place performances.



Think a few players are lucky Klopp is leaving because the final home game would be an ideal time for a manager to lay a marker down to some of the under peformers and let them sit on the bench for that final home game.


I would be delighted to see a back line of Bradley, Quansah, Konate and one from Gomez or Robertson against Wolves. Won't happen but the work horses would deserve the reward of starting the final home game for me.


Would apply the same logic to other parts of the team.


Any noses out of joint afterwards. Tell them to have their agents talk to Edwards and his team so they can go continue playing at retirement pace in some other team.


The more I think about it, the more cashing in on two, three or even four big names makes sense. Use the big fees to allow the new manager to bring in some starting quality players to put with the willing workers and great young talents we already have.

If we end up with VVD (who said he is looking forward to the new manager but did not mention staying beyond his final 12 months), TAA and Salah all just winding down their final 12 months then next seasons risks being one where all three look after themselves first and foremost to protect their next move and we then have to wait a full season before having an even bigger rebuild the next season.



Going to have to calm this attitude down a bit before the weekend though, otherwise my trip to Liverpool might end up with a pitch side arrest

[Mark79]

I think letting the title chance slip rests mostly with Klopp.

Trying to chase all 4 competitions on a depleted squad was a massive folly.

As a result, we had a nightmare combination of too many fatigued players and too many rusty players working their way back to fitness by the time we came to the business end of the season.

When we found ourselves top in December, we should have prioritised the league and chosen one of the knock out competitions to focus the 1st team squad on. Let the U23s take the 2 remaining cups.

[Doc_Piptorious]

I think letting the title chance slip rests mostly with Klopp.

Trying to chase all 4 competitions on a depleted squad was a massive folly.

As a result, we had a nightmare combination of too many fatigued players and too many rusty players working their way back to fitness by the time we came to the business end of the season.

When we found ourselves top in December, we should have prioritised the league and chosen one of the knock out competitions to focus the 1st team squad on. Let the U23s take the 2 remaining cups.

Easy to say that in hindsight though, even if it does make complete and utter sense on a practical level.


Through Klopp's eyes, the eyes of a hyper competitive man with no doubt a fierce will to win, it must have looked like an irrestible challenge and the sort that had he tried to be "smarter" might have forever then come with lots of personal "what ifs" in his head.


Easier to sleep afterwards if one has a go and then comes up short imo, than to not try and wonder if you could have done it if you went all in.


Different of course if applying the smart thinking option to family life or running a business or whatever, but tunnel vision kicks in when it comes to the sharp end of sports and I reckon the best of the best ( be it in terms of ability or just sheer force of will) will always back themselves to find a way.


Cliched maybe, but not succeeding after giving your very best is not a failure. Not succeeding and still having plenty in the tank is though.


The former breeds strength of character, the latter just sows the seeds for giving up early another time. Imo.


Klopp for me falls into the camp of being the former. Some of our players however this season.....

[Mark79]

Easy to say that in hindsight though, even if it does make complete and utter sense on a practical level.


Through Klopp's eyes, the eyes of a hyper competitive man with no doubt a fierce will to win, it must have looked like an irrestible challenge and the sort that had he tried to be "smarter" might have forever then come with lots of personal "what ifs" in his head.


Easier to sleep afterwards if one has a go and then comes up short imo, than to not try and wonder if you could have done it if you went all in.


Different of course if applying the smart thinking option to family life or running a business or whatever, but tunnel vision kicks in when it comes to the sharp end of sports and I reckon the best of the best ( be it in terms of ability or just sheer force of will) will always back themselves to find a way.


Cliched maybe, but not succeeding after giving your very best is not a failure. Not succeeding and still having plenty in the tank is though.


The former breeds strength of character, the latter just sows the seeds for giving up early another time. Imo.


Klopp for me falls into the camp of being the former. Some of our players however this season.....

TBF it's not hindsight when I was saying exactly the same back in December.

Going strong in all 4 is demanding enough even with high 1st team availability.

I just think some pragmaticatisim should have been applied in the face of a huge injury list of 1st teamers when an unexpected shot at the title emerged.

[Doc_Piptorious]

TBF it's not hindsight when I was saying exactly the same back in December.

Going strong in all 4 is demanding enough even with high 1st team availability.

I just think some pragmaticatisim should have been applied in the face of a huge injury list of 1st teamers when an unexpected shot at the title emerged.

Again though, we are back to the sort of smart and pragmatic decision a regular person with the luxury of distance might make versus the highly focused (could say very blinkered) view that a serial winner/ top level competitor in their field will have. A pov that will only become more focused the further into each competition his team gets and the closer the finishing lines become.

What you are saying and have been saying makes sense. It would be the pragmatic take to sacrifice the smaller competitions in order to potentially be stronger for longer in the bigger ones. It might even have been the correct thing to have done, but would it have been the right thing to do?

Especially under a guy like Klopp who feeds on passion and emotion.


All I am saying is that, imo, there was no chance at all that a high end competitor with Klopp's personality type would be that pragmatic for as long as there was a chance of winning all four on the table.

He was also going to go for it and then hope/assume that he was surrounded by people that wanted to take the same run at it as he did.


Let's be honest though, I think we all love the guys and girls that take the gambles that Klopp does, as they can win one out of four chances but chances are the ride for the other three will be exciting as hell and raise hope and belief whilst they last.


Give me Klopp's let ****ing go at them approach over guys like Rodgers or even Rafa to a lesser and maybe more understandable degree (little unfair to put Rafa in with Rodgers but hey ho) who would field a much weaker team in one comp and sacrifice results so they could go stronger in a single comp.

Is that heart over head? Yeah I reckon so but give me the Klopps of the world with their raw passion and will to win everything over the sometimes much smarter approach.

[Buzzo]

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[peterbread]

Sunday is going to be an emotional and tough day. Hope he gets the send off he deserves.

[Norbs]

Easy to say that in hindsight though, even if it does make complete and utter sense on a practical level.


Through Klopp's eyes, the eyes of a hyper competitive man with no doubt a fierce will to win, it must have looked like an irrestible challenge and the sort that had he tried to be "smarter" might have forever then come with lots of personal "what ifs" in his head.


Easier to sleep afterwards if one has a go and then comes up short imo, than to not try and wonder if you could have done it if you went all in.


Different of course if applying the smart thinking option to family life or running a business or whatever, but tunnel vision kicks in when it comes to the sharp end of sports and I reckon the best of the best ( be it in terms of ability or just sheer force of will) will always back themselves to find a way.


Cliched maybe, but not succeeding after giving your very best is not a failure. Not succeeding and still having plenty in the tank is though.


The former breeds strength of character, the latter just sows the seeds for giving up early another time. Imo.


Klopp for me falls into the camp of being the former. Some of our players however this season.....

To be fair he only needed to look back 2 seasons to see what happened the last time we fought on 4 fronts. Makes you wonder what sort of state our squad would've been in now, had both domestic cups been treated less seriously.

[danperkins]

Realistically it has been a good season.


Back in the CL and a trophy to boot.

Think most would have taken that in a heartbeat if offered it last August.


However in the more myopic and emotional here and now after the Villa game, we imo let a great chance to win the title slip away and I genuinely do think that we bottled it once we got the injured senior players back.


Do think that a number of senior players let the manager, team and themselves down badly when it was still in our own hands.

Talking senior players like VVD, TAA, Salah, and Diaz. When we needed the seniors to come back and to ride the wave the squaddies and younger players created, they instead huffed, puffed and looked disinterested at times.


Have left Robertson off that little list because I think regardless of being rusty and a bit off the pace in some games, his effort never dropped below 100%.


A lot of the younger players and newer players I would give a pass too as well as most of them gave their all and a lack of consistency is to be expe3cted more in their cases whereas the seniors are the ones we wanted to come back in and show why they get lauded as being world class and also to be the steady hands to guide the younger players.


Guys like Nunez can be knocked all people want to knock them, but the majority of our most knocked players are ones that whilst they might not have excelled like we hoped, they rarely if ever hid and rarely put in stroll about the place performances.



Think a few players are lucky Klopp is leaving because the final home game would be an ideal time for a manager to lay a marker down to some of the under peformers and let them sit on the bench for that final home game.


I would be delighted to see a back line of Bradley, Quansah, Konate and one from Gomez or Robertson against Wolves. Won't happen but the work horses would deserve the reward of starting the final home game for me.


Would apply the same logic to other parts of the team.


Any noses out of joint afterwards. Tell them to have their agents talk to Edwards and his team so they can go continue playing at retirement pace in some other team.


The more I think about it, the more cashing in on two, three or even four big names makes sense. Use the big fees to allow the new manager to bring in some starting quality players to put with the willing workers and great young talents we already have.

If we end up with VVD (who said he is looking forward to the new manager but did not mention staying beyond his final 12 months), TAA and Salah all just winding down their final 12 months then next seasons risks being one where all three look after themselves first and foremost to protect their next move and we then have to wait a full season before having an even bigger rebuild the next season.



Going to have to calm this attitude down a bit before the weekend though, otherwise my trip to Liverpool might end up with a pitch side arrest

[dom9]

To be fair he only needed to look back 2 seasons to see what happened the last time we fought on 4 fronts. Makes you wonder what sort of state our squad would've been in now, had both domestic cups been treated less seriously.

I don't buy that argument.

For a start, most of the senior squad had significant time off / resting. The kids carried us through that period and swept away everything in their path and won a trophy.

The seniors came back and didn't live up to their past form nor the recent form of the ones who stepped in. We hoped for a change of gear, and got one. But it was the wrong one and it all went wrong.

Sacking off the cups wouldn't have made much difference to freshness imo. And we would in all probability ended up with zero trophies instead of one.

[SB]

You can argue tho that without Macca's brain fart, we brought on 4 subs and looked untroubled. Then they scored from that, and this got the crowd up and the players, and the 4 new players on the pitch had little to do with that, it was just a goal at the right time from a mistake by a player.

They’d been asking questions before he made the subs too but I was surprised to see 4 at once I must admit.