Philippe Coutinho Post-LFC

[poorscousertommy]

No its loan fee plus the wages, any buy clause is on top of that

Barcelona are offloading him to finance a move for Neymar hence their high demands

I was reading that 21m covers the wages too. Something like £11m loan fee and £10m wages.

Haven't got a link to hand but that's what I read.

[Lecter]

We won the CL ffs, when a lot of people were complaining that we were not playing well (including myself) at the start of the season.

The optimism is warranted. We almost won the league and we won the European Cup.

History should tell you to be cautious. How often do teams get huge points totals in successive years (other than City)

Also the assumption here is that every other team hasnt made additions (like LFC) now its not impossible for us to do a Spurs and improve further without additions but for me its unlikely

I fully expect our points total to be lower than last year

[Norbs]

Tell Mané, Salah or Firmino they will be rotated and will be playing only 30 games.

Who's the boss again?

[Norbs]

£21m loan fee plus €290K per week wages its a lot of money

£35m for one season

[Fredo]

I really hope your wrong but I tend to agree, at least one top player to freshen up the squad, and I don't think Fredo has ever been proven right with his optimism bouts. Which got me a bit worried.

We won the CL ffs, when a lot of people were complaining that we were not playing well (including myself) at the start of the season.

The optimism is warranted. We almost won the league and we won the European Cup.

[Lecter]

I think the loan fee covers the wages. Parent company pays the player as usual but loan fee covers that. Same for Wilson.

That's how I understand it anyway.

No one is paying 36m for Coutinho for a year with no buy clause written in stone, surely.

No its loan fee plus the wages, any buy clause is on top of that

Barcelona are offloading him to finance a move for Neymar hence their high demands

[labourRed]

£21m loan fee plus €290K per week wages its a lot of money

I think the loan fee covers the wages. Parent company pays the player as usual but loan fee covers that. Same for Wilson.

That's how I understand it anyway.

No one is paying 36m for Coutinho for a year with no buy clause written in stone, surely.

[Fivex]

Wonder if they’re trying to shaft us and get around the clauses. Loan him out for £20m a season and let him run his contract down that way, then they don’t need to pay us the sell-on.

[Lecter]

Financial.

It's a big loan fee. As Klopp said, massive, massive money. And for whatever reason, that's not happening this summer.

Also factor in FSG policy on transfer clearly is buy young sell for profit later. Coutinho is 27 and that cycle has ended (maybe earlier than ideal) but I can understand the pass nevertheless.

That said in the short term I think he'd work well given he knows our game, players etc. So I'm in the pro camp despite it being a nonrunner.

£21m loan fee plus €290K per week wages its a lot of money

[Mark79]

Tell Mané, Salah or Firmino they will be rotated and will be playing only 30 games.

Over 30, they could actually still start close to 40 even with rotation. Then they have internationals too. That's not enough football in one season?

[The_weatherman]

It's great you're positive and all but quite frankly I think that argument doesn't work.

We can always add strength to the squad. Even if it's only one signing. We've just won the European Cup and still need to improve.

City won the domestic treble and are still upgrading their team.

Stand still and you risk falling behind City again and letting a team like Spurs closer to us.

We showed last season that you can turn around over 20 points against a team in the way we got closer to City.

If you think Spurs landing N'Dombele, and potentially Dybala and Coutinho is not going to give them a chance to replicate that then that's fair enough.

But it's my opinion that we are giving them that chance.

It's utter bollocks from the club to spout about not having money. Our net spend is small against our rivals and we have bigger revenue than most of them.

I really hope your wrong but I tend to agree, at least one top player to freshen up the squad, and I don't think Fredo has ever been proven right with his optimism bouts. Which got me a bit worried.

[Fredo]

Why would they be sitting on the bench?



4 players rotating across the front 3 easily leaves 30+ starts for all of them, across all competitions. That's without including CL knockout stages.

And this would still allow Origi and Brewster some starts too.

Tell Mané, Salah or Firmino they will be rotated and will be playing only 30 games.

[Mark79]

We need backups but the first team is good as any. If you spend £70m on someone who is gonna sit on the bench, you are sending the wrong signal.

Why would they be sitting on the bench?

4 players rotating across the front 3 easily leaves 30+ starts for all of them, across all competitions. That's without including CL knockout stages.
And this would still allow Origi and Brewster some starts too.

[labourRed]

It's great you're positive and all but quite frankly I think that argument doesn't work.

We can always add strength to the squad. Even if it's only one signing. We've just won the European Cup and still need to improve.

City won the domestic treble and are still upgrading their team.

Stand still and you risk falling behind City again and letting a team like Spurs closer to us.

We showed last season that you can turn around over 20 points against a team in the way we got closer to City.

If you think Spurs landing N'Dombele, and potentially Dybala and Coutinho is not going to give them a chance to replicate that then that's fair enough.

But it's my opinion that we are giving them that chance.

It's utter bollocks from the club to spout about not having money. Our net spend is small against our rivals and we have bigger revenue than most of them.

Pretty much exactly my thoughts. All the trotted out answers to this summer's activity don't say the squad is perfect, they all have the caveat of, we have to pay the bills, etc. It's an uncomfortable lie IMO.

I'm not sure what the strategy is and we won't know for a few years. It could just be the case that FSG aren't willing to invest but it'd be guesswork to suggest anything really. No one will criticise owners a year after a big summer and winning big ears so they've certainly got PR credit in the bank even if this season doesn't work out.

[Fredo]

I didn't mean on one player, possibly 2 or 3. Our first 11 is great but the drop off is significant, albeit looking ok on paper

I don't think there is much of a drop off, bar the front three. Our subs pushed us on another level on Sunday.

As for the front three, these are arguably the best front three in the world. Anyone else would be a drop off.