Fabinho

[Kenneth]

i particularly doubt the wisdom of playing the ball to either full back when they are as far back as the centre backs and also being pressured by opposition advanced midfielders or full backs.
it creates panic and puts the other team on the front foot, exactly the sort of piss poor play that triggers our team press...

Bayern did exactly the same all game, the idea being to pull us forward and make space behind the press. Top sides do it, we do it deliberately as a tactic when we are finding the midfield too congested. The idea is to be good enough in possession and not to panic, then move the ball quickly out of the tight space and use the space that creates. We did it very successfully last year when we were killing teams on the counter.

[baitman]

Bayern did exactly the same all game, the idea being to pull us forward and make space behind the press. Top sides do it, we do it deliberately as a tactic when we are finding the midfield too congested. The idea is to be good enough in possession and not to panic, then move the ball quickly out of the tight space and use the space that creates.

I get that (well explained btw) but when the ball goes to robbo and his only option is to hoof or play back insde to an already closed down player then you have to think the initial ball to him as not so well thought out...

[Myo]

Balls deep my kind of guy..

[Les Zeffelin]

Whats the time out there... desnt help that they have about 10 time zones

Hey, its a big place. Anyway, he lives in Queensland (I think) it's still the 1950's there.

[Havors]

Bayern did exactly the same all game, the idea being to pull us forward and make space behind the press. Top sides do it, we do it deliberately as a tactic when we are finding the midfield too congested. The idea is to be good enough in possession and not to panic, then move the ball quickly out of the tight space and use the space that creates. We did it very successfully last year when we were killing teams on the counter.

Yes but this year the forwards/midfield are not occupying the space created. The amount of times I seen Matip, Fab, Hendo look up and have no options and have to go sideways was too many.

We missed Fab in midfield as his little short diagonal balls over the top really throws the cat amongst the pigeons when its congested.

Another problem is we are so so narrow at times we are creating our own problems. We need to be a bit more like city (and us in previous season) and really hit that byline with speed (double up on the wings).

[BootRoom]

Identifying new players is a very time consuming and competetive busisness, at the highest level requiring a scouting network spanning multiple continents to run the rule over scores of players, so ofcourse Klopp doesn't have time to do all that.

Obviously. I wasn’t criticising him for it. Simply pointing out it’s not what makes him an outstanding coach, since it’s a job done mostly by others. That’s not to say he doesn’t sometimes pick out players himself that he’s seen first hand (VvD and Mane, perhaps).


Having said that, do you really think Mickey Edwards bimbled into Klopps office one afternoon and said: "Yo Jurgen, there's this dude called Virgil Van Dijk that I think we should sign before anybody discovers him".

No. I don’t really think that.


I'm sure Klopp is independently aware of a lot of players, especially in the European leagues, that he's told the scouting department to keep an eye on. The likes of Keita, Fabhino and Alisson will hardly have been unknown to the Manager before the scouts clued him up.

I’m sure he is too. That doesn’t really change the actual point about what makes Klopp outstanding though.

The sign of a really good scouting department is recruiting players for a small fee before they hit the big-time who then turn into superstars, not paying world-record fees for the finished articles.

The likes of Coutinho and Robertson. Don’t forget, the scouting department were pushing for the likes of VvD, Salah, Mane, Alli prior to them joining Celtic, Chelsea, Spurs etc. And before Klopp was here.

You reduced Klopp's role in transfers to merely rubber-stamping the opinions of the Scouting Dept, which is nonsense. Klopp is on the hook for all signings. If Allison and Virgil had been flops signed at world record fees, leading to us still leaking goals and scrambling for a top 4 finish it would be a pretty big data point in assessing whether Klopp had the judgement to be trusted to make proper use of the substantial funds it takes to get top quality players into the club and ultimately lead the club forward.

If Klopp had brought a slew of top class players through the youth ranks, such that recruiting top class talent was unnecessary, then judgement in the transfer market would be less important.

Edit: had to manually copy n paste quoted post.

[Mark79]

You reduced Klopp's role in transfers to merely rubber-stamping the opinions of the Scouting Dept, which is nonsense. Klopp is on the hook for all signings. If Allison and Virgil had been flops signed at world record fees, leading to us still leaking goals and scrambling for a top 4 finish it would be a pretty big data point in assessing whether Klopp had the judgement to be trusted to make proper use of the substantial funds it takes to get top quality players into the club and ultimately lead the club forward.

If Klopp had brought a slew of top class players through the youth ranks, such that recruiting top class talent was unnecessary, then judgement in the transfer market would be less important.

Edit: had to manually copy n paste quoted post.

Horse****. I was responding to a claim that Klopp’s outstanding attribute as a manager is his signings. There’s no point in me repeating myself again, so just go back and re-read what I actually said instead.

[SB]

He’s a Rolls Royce this lad.

He made a tackle from behind in the 26th min & I thought if that was ANY of our other midfielders it’s a free kick & a yellow card in a dangerous position. Incredible player.

[Mark79]

Getting as much joy watching this guy as I used to from that other Brazilian who played for us. He’s superb.

[SB]

Getting as much joy watching this guy as I used to from that other Brazilian who played for us. He’s superb.

First midfielder on the team sheet now hands down.

[Mark79]

First midfielder on the team sheet now hands down.

He’s our midfield Van Dijk

[danperkins]

Banker to start every week, will get better and better.

[SB]

He’s our midfield Van Dijk

the spine is
Allison
VVD
Fabinho
Salah

[Saveloy]

Getting as much joy watching this guy as I used to from that other Brazilian who played for us. He’s superb.

Diego Cavalieri?

[Mark79]

Diego Cavalieri?

Ohh close, it was actually Doni.