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    #46
    Awful awful tragedy.

    I hope it is natural causes(if thats the right term), as a result of some disease.
    Suicide would be horrific
    Originally posted by Gordon Brown
    (1995)
    "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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      #47
      http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=256006


      Betting syndicate 'linked' to Woolmer
      Wednesday Mar 21 23:34 AEDT

      Bob Woolmer may have been murdered on the instructions of an illegal betting syndicate, says former Pakistani fast bowler Safraz Nawaz.

      The former Pakistan coach was found unconscious in his Jamaican hotel room near pools of blood and vomit on Sunday, hours after Pakistan's shock loss to Ireland at cricket's World Cup.

      Jamaican police said on Wednesday they were treating the 58-year-old's death as "suspicious" and Safraz believes rightly so.

      Safraz claimed Woolmer was about to reveal the dark world of match-fixing, which has plagued Pakistan for years, in a book entitled Discovering Cricket, News Limited newspapers report on Thursday.

      "Has Woolmer carried with him to the grave dark secrets that could have brought ruin upon Pakistan's players?" Safraz was quoted as saying in News Limited papers.

      "Did he pay for being the unwitting receptacle of information that was never to be shared?"
      http://www.retroreds.co.uk/

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        #48
        Originally posted by lfc4ever View Post
        http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=256006

        Betting syndicate 'linked' to Woolmer
        Wednesday Mar 21 23:34 AEDT

        Bob Woolmer may have been murdered on the instructions of an illegal betting syndicate, says former Pakistani fast bowler Safraz Nawaz.

        The former Pakistan coach was found unconscious in his Jamaican hotel room near pools of blood and vomit on Sunday, hours after Pakistan's shock loss to Ireland at cricket's World Cup.

        Jamaican police said on Wednesday they were treating the 58-year-old's death as "suspicious" and Safraz believes rightly so.

        Safraz claimed Woolmer was about to reveal the dark world of match-fixing, which has plagued Pakistan for years, in a book entitled Discovering Cricket, News Limited newspapers report on Thursday.

        "Has Woolmer carried with him to the grave dark secrets that could have brought ruin upon Pakistan's players?" Safraz was quoted as saying in News Limited papers.

        "Did he pay for being the unwitting receptacle of information that was never to be shared?"

        I don't think it's very tactful or wise to come out with this statement this soon after his death.
        Originally posted by Gordon Brown
        (1995)
        "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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          #49
          Originally posted by anfieldanfield View Post
          Suicide ?

          RIP
          Looks like this could be true now.

          Very sad.

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            #50
            Originally posted by anfieldanfield View Post
            Looks like this could be true now.

            Very sad.
            No It doesnt look that way at all

            He was not the type of man to do that. He loved his wife and two sons too much. Why would he commit suicide after losing to Ireland when he was the only one that was positive after South Africa lost to Australia in the World Cup Semi Final in 99?

            He actually played a HUGE role in the development of teams like Ireland whilst he was working for the ICC. Losing to Ireland must have pleased him at some level. It proved that he was doing a good job before coaching Pakistan

            You obviously know nothing about the man so stop speculating and congratulating yourself about your original callous remark
            Last edited by SouthAfricaRed; 21-03-07, 08:38 PM.
            "For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son"

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              #51
              Originally posted by SouthAfricaRed View Post
              No It doesnt look that way at all

              He was not the type of man to do that. He loved his wife and two sons too much. Why would he commit suicide after losing to Ireland when he was the only one that was positive after South Africa lost to Australia in the World Cup Semi Final in 99?

              He actually played a HUGE role in the development of teams like Ireland whilst he was working for the ICC. Losing to Ireland must have pleased him at some level. It proved that he was doing a good job before coaching Pakistan

              You obviously know nothing about the man so stop speculating and congratulating yourself about your original callous remark
              People who "love their wife and sons" can still kill themselves, so that was a rather naive comment. Who knows the internal struggle and suffering some people face in life, without letting on to friends and family.

              My remark wasn't remotely 'callous' either, if the police are treating the death as 'suspicious', I wouldn't rule out suicide.

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                #52
                Originally posted by anfieldanfield View Post
                People who "love their wife and sons" can still kill themselves, so that was a rather naive comment. Who knows the internal struggle and suffering some people face in life, without letting on to friends and family.

                My remark wasn't remotely 'callous' either, if the police are treating the death as 'suspicious', I wouldn't rule out suicide.
                They could be thinking it was an accident rather than natural causes.
                .
                Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



                May the Lord bless this post.

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by anfieldanfield View Post
                  People who "love their wife and sons" can still kill themselves, so that was a rather naive comment. Who knows the internal struggle and suffering some people face in life, without letting on to friends and family.

                  My remark wasn't remotely 'callous' either, if the police are treating the death as 'suspicious', I wouldn't rule out suicide.
                  I still say you know nothing about the man, so immidiately asking if it was suicide is callous. And then patting yourself on the back when the death is ruled suspicious compounds it.

                  I wouldnt rule out Murder, accidental death or Natural causes either. That's what suspicious means
                  "For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son"

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                    #54
                    But Pakistan team spokesman Pervez Mir admitted the police were now investigating the possibility of foul play.

                    "The police suspect that Woolmer may have been murdered," Mir told AFP.

                    "Obviously 'suspicious' could be anything at this moment.

                    "It could be something serious, it could be something not serious.

                    "We have a man who is down and we don't know the reason why."
                    "For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son"

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                      #55
                      Police await Woolmer death report



                      Police in Jamaica are still unable to confirm the reason why Pakistan cricket coach Bob Woolmer died, but continue to treat the case as "suspicious".
                      A post-mortem conducted by a government pathologist was inconclusive and further tests are being carried out.

                      Despite that, a police spokesman confirmed they had now decided to "seek the opinion of a second pathologist".

                      The former England Test player, 58, was found unconscious at his Kingston hotel last Sunday and died later that day.

                      Mark Shields, the deputy commissioner, was asked on Wednesday whether Woolmer had been murdered, to which he responded: "No, we're not saying that."

                      Asked if it was suicide, Shields said it would be "inappropriate to comment further at this time" as they were still waiting for the final pathologist's report.

                      In a statement on Thursday, police spokesman Karl Angell said they were still not in possession of the report as the government pathologist who conducted the post-mortem was awaiting the result of toxicology and histology tests.

                      He added: "As a result of these factors, the police cannot give the cause of death of Mr Woolmer.

                      "Following consultations today, involving representatives from the GOJ [government of Jamaica] and the police, a decision was taken to seek the opinion of a second pathologist. Arrangements are currently being made to engage the services of this pathologist."

                      Shields is a former British policeman who was head of Special Branch in the force at a time when the City of London was a priority target for the IRA.

                      He was recruited by the Jamaican government in 2005 to counter the island's endemic gun crime, Yardie gangs and drug culture.

                      Woolmer was known to suffer from diabetes but his widow Gill has dismissed the possibility of him dying from an overdose, and played down reports that he was the victim of a plot linked to match-fixing.

                      "Bob had type two diabetes, which you do not have to take drugs for. Reports of him drinking and overdosing on drugs are absolute rubbish," she told an Indian TV station.

                      "I am aware that his death is being viewed as a suspicious death. He had nothing to do with the match-fixing controversy and any such person being involved is highly unlikely. We never got any threats as far as I know."

                      Asked about the stresses of his job, she said: "He never mentioned anything about being under pressure, but I had seen pictures of him on TV and know him well enough to know he was under pressure by the expression on his face."

                      Woolmer's final communication with his wife was an e-mail sent following Pakistan's surprise World Cup defeat by Ireland, the match finishing only hours before his death.

                      "I received it the following morning and he just said he was very disappointed in their performance and couldn't understand how the result had happened. He was just very depressed about it," she said                      .

                      Mrs Woolmer confirmed that he had enjoyed his time in charge of the team and had a good relationship with the Pakistan Cricket Board.

                      "He had a very good relationship with the team. He liked the boys and I think the feeling was mutual.

                      "They had a lot of fun together, as well as working very hard together, and the PCB administration were very good to him and looked after him very well."

                      Pakistan's final World Cup group match against Zimbabwe went ahead on Wednesday after a minute's silence as a mark of respect for Woolmer.

                      They won the game by 93 runs and captain Inzamam-ul-Haq afterwards dedicated their performance to Woolmer.

                      When the investigation is completed, his body will be taken back to his home in Cape Town, South Africa, accompanied by team trainer Murray Stevenson.

                      Woolmer also coached the South African national team and English county side Warwickshire during his career.

                      Dennis Amiss, a former Warwickshire chief executive, has called for a permanent memorial to Woolmer to be commissioned for the club's Edgbaston ground.

                      "A permanent memorial to Bob Woolmer by Warwickshire would be a fitting tribute. He brought great honour to the club," Amiss commented.

                      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6477989.stm

                      Is Mrs Woolmer trying to say Bob thought Pakistan team deliberately lost to Ireland
                      In Rafa I Trust

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                        #56
                        Bollocks.... More likely IMO is that India deliberately lost to Bangladesh...
                        "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by looprevil View Post
                          Bollocks.... More likely IMO is that India deliberately lost to Bangladesh...
                          now that would of been a nice double
                          In Rafa I Trust

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                            #58
                            Wonder what the odds would have been on that. 1000-1? or more maybe?

                            If Pakistan are found to be involved in match fixing I will honestly give up with them. I genuinely feel that the result against Ireland was just one of those days. Look how desperately Pakistan tried to save the game - excessive appealing and THAT catch that was given out.
                            "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by looprevil View Post
                              Wonder what the odds would have been on that. 1000-1? or more maybe?

                              If Pakistan are found to be involved in match fixing I will honestly give up with them. I genuinely feel that the result against Ireland was just one of those days. Look how desperately Pakistan tried to save the game - excessive appealing and THAT catch that was given out.
                              i'm not just saying this about pakistan but you never know with sub-continent teams. Its still going on since Hanzi Cronje days

                              Bob obviously knew some dark secrets about match fixing to have been "potentially" murdered.

                              Maybe he was involved himself - who knows - guess we will never know now.
                              Last edited by DeeGame; 22-03-07, 01:36 PM.
                              In Rafa I Trust

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                                #60
                                I hate to speculate about how he died - Bob Woolmer deserves more respect than that IMO.

                                I understand what you are saying about match fixing, but I thought the Indian Police made some breakthroughs and had caught the main players involved.

                                No doubt there was an era when it was rife - Azharadin, Cronje, Salim Malik and probably a load more who got away with it.
                                "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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