Vaughan quits as one day captain...

[thesilverfoxlfc]

It can only be Collingwood for me, even though im not english i think he would a great captain and 20/20 captain in the World Cup coming up.

[Mumsafan]

Good. He's **** at it.

[DeeGame]

No give it to Pietersen

[Shaggy]

Collingwood is the only option.

[DeeGame]

Collingwood is the only option.

Pietersen a better choice imo

[Shaggy]

Pietersen a better choice imo

On what grounds? Collingwood has stacks more experience.

[thesilverfoxlfc]

Pietersen a better choice imo

He's no captain a great player let him do his thing.

[DeeGame]

On what grounds? Collingwood has stacks more experience.

Pietersen got more drive and determination to do well. he has loads of confidence (bordering on arrogant) which is want england need.

All the succesfull captains in international cricket ie. smith & ponting have these traits.

[Shaggy]

Pietersen got more drive and determination to do well. he has loads of confidence (bordering on arrogant) which is want england need.

All the succesfull captains in international cricket ie. smith & ponting have these traits.

Hmm, I'm not so sure.

I don't know how you've come to your first conclusion. Collingwood is a dogged and extremely determined performer. I don't know how you can say KP is more driven than Colly unless you know both individuals. Which you don't.

KP needs to concentrate on his batting. Colly is a much more rounded cricketer and, IMO, has the better cricketing brain.

[Red Chilli]

Pietersen a better choice imo

and mine.

I've never been convinced by Collingwood's technique. He's a good county player but I just can't accept he's good enough to put one over the Aussies.
I can see Collingwood losing his place if he has a run of bad form whereas everyone knows Pieterson is a class act.

[DeeGame]

Hmm, I'm not so sure.

I don't know how you've come to your first conclusion. Collingwood is a dogged and extremely determined performer. I don't know how you can say KP is more driven than Colly unless you know both individuals. Which you don't.

KP needs to concentrate on his batting. Colly is a much more rounded cricketer and, IMO, has the better cricketing brain.

I think English cricket needs a bit of excitment and KP could provide that with his brashness on the pitch.

[Shaggy]

and mine.

I've never been convinced by Collingwood's technique. He's a good county player but I just can't accept he's good enough to put one over the Aussies.
I can see Collingwood losing his place if he has a run of bad form whereas everyone knows Pieterson is a class act.

Double hundreds not enough then?

Collingwood has proved himself time and time again at Test level. He has nothing to prove to anyone anymore.

[Red Chilli]

Double hundreds not enough then?

Maybe it's a bit like you and Trezeguet It's not his scores, although he has had a double hundred at TEST level, not ODI , it's his technique. He has a very poor technique and any decent bowler on a decent track will exploit him.

Collingwood has proved himself time and time again at Test level. He has nothing to prove to anyone anymore.

Thought we were discussing the ODI captaincy not Test matches.

[dww]

Have either of them captained before?

I think both are good candidates actually. I tend to agree with Shaggy that Collingwood would be intellectually/tactically superior. However ODIs seem to get more and more aggressive KPs attitude would be good, the hope being that he learnt a lot about the game from Warne and does bring a lot of obvious intensity. Sometimes with sports people it is not about how good someone is at the job but how good they make the team feel.

[Shaggy]

Thought we were discussing the ODI captaincy not Test matches.

We were but then you inexplicably said you reckon his technique is "very poor" - and dismissed him as simply "a good county player" - which is patently bollocks. You said you can't accept that he's good enough to put one over the Aussies - when he's done as much several times already, both in ODIs and Tests.

As for this:

He has a very poor technique and any decent bowler on a decent track will exploit him.

He's faced stacks of "decent bowlers" on stacks of "decent tracks" and he hasn't been exposed.

He must've fluked all those runs he's scored in international cricket.