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Nobody remembers these type of cyclists.
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Fredo, you are showing your complete ignorance of the following riders:Originally posted by fredo View PostNobody remembers these type of cyclists.
You clearly come from Croydon and are undoubtedly an idiot so perhaps that's understandable but as usual you have to talk complete rubbish.1953 Fritz Schär
1954 Ferdinand Kübler
1955 Stan Ockers
1956 Stan Ockers
1957 Jean Forestier
1958 Jean Graczyk
1959 André Darrigade
1960 Jean Graczyk
1961 André Darrigade
1962 Rudi Altig
1963 Rik van Looy
1964 Jan Janssen
1965 Jan Janssen
1966 Willy Planckaert
1967 Jan Janssen
1968 Franco Bitossi
1969 Eddy Merckx
1970 Walter Godefroot
1971 Eddy Merckx
1972 Eddy Merckx
1973 Herman van Springel
1974 Patrick Sercu
1975 Rik Van Linden
1976 Freddy Maertens
1977 Jacques Esclassan
1978 Freddy Maertens
1979 Bernard Hinault
1980 Rudy Pevenage
1981 Freddy Maertens
1982 Seán Kelly
1983 Seán Kelly
1984 Frank Hoste
1985 Seán Kelly
1986 Eric Vanderaerden
1987 Jean-Paul van Poppel
1988 Eddy Planckaert
1989 Seán Kelly
1990 Olaf Ludwig
1991 Djamolidine Abdoujaparov
1992 Laurent Jalabert
1993 Djamolidine Abdoujaparov
1994 Djamolidine Abdoujaparov
1995 Laurent Jalabert
1996 Erik Zabel
1997 Erik Zabel
1998 Erik Zabel
1999 Erik Zabel
2000 Erik Zabel
2001 Erik Zabel
2002 Robbie McEwen
2003 Baden Cooke
2004 Robbie McEwen
2005 Thor Hushovd
2006 Robbie McEwen
2007 Tom Boonen
2008 Óscar Freire
Why do you bother commenting on a thread you know **** all about?.
Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.
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Off that list off the top of my head, only Eddy the cannibal and Sean Kelly won the tour.Originally posted by Neil Young View PostComment
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Sean Kelly didn't win the Tour. Bernard 'The Badger' Hinault did though - five times in fact.Originally posted by fredo View Post
Laurent Jalabert won the polka dot late in his career which was quite an impressive switch.
Mercx won all three major jerseys in 1969.
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Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.
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Substitute Kelly with Hinault then, that just makes it two from that list. I actually confused him with Stephen Roche.Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
Hinault and Merckxx were both exceptional cyclists. In cycling there are plenty of good athletes, but there is just a few exceptional riders. Most of them target a win in just one stage in Le Tour, and they only think of crossing the line in Paris.
Cavendish may be a good rider but he's probably one of the best of the mediocre rest.
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Jaja or 'Le Basque' Jalabert was a good cyclist, a very good one at it. He was a late developer though and became a good Tour rider in his latter years. He's an excellent pundit on french TV though, gives very good insight during the race, as opposed to the amount of crap you spout in here. No offense dogwit.
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I like Jalabert's commentary. Does he still do it from a motorbike or is he in the studio these days?Originally posted by fredo View PostJaja or 'Le Basque' Jalabert was a good cyclist, a very good one at it. He was a late developer though and became a good Tour rider in his latter years. He's an excellent pundit on french TV though, gives very good insight during the race, as opposed to the amount of crap you spout in here. No offense dogwit.
I don't agree he was a late developer though. He changed his style over the years - he lost his nerve in the sprint after a bad crash and gradually switched to concentrating on the mountains classification. He suffered from being the next big French hope, as so many have, and just wasn't quite up to winning the Tour. At his height he was a pretty decent all-rounder though and he took all three big jerseys in the '95 Vuelta.
The sting of such criticism about me is neutralised by the fact it came from you.
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Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.
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Yes I still think he's on his motorbike but I didn't watch Le Tour last year.Originally posted by Neil Young View PostI like Jalabert's commentary. Does he still do it from a motorbike or is he in the studio these days?
I don't agree he was a late developer though. He changed his style over the years - he lost his nerve in the sprint after a bad crash and gradually switched to concentrating on the mountains classification. He suffered from being the next big French hope, as so many have, and just wasn't quite up to winning the Tour. At his height he was a pretty decent all-rounder though and he took all three big jerseys in the '95 Vuelta.
The sting of such criticism about me is neutralised by the fact it came from you.
As you say, french sportsmen suffer a lot from the unneeded pressure the french media puts on them. I remember when Fignon lost the tour on the last day when Lemond pipped him to the post. They were nearly crying and poor Fignon, he couldn't recover from that though he was still relatively young. But at least he won Le Tour twice.
Coming back to Jalabert, yes he was a very decent all rounder. It's a bit strange though as he managed to change his style and become a good all rounder, despite him being quite 'heavy' as a result of his 'sprinting' years. I couldn't picture someone like Zabel or Abdoujaparov doing this.
I think Lance Armstrong was a pretty decent sprinter and 'rouleur' as we say in French before becoming the fantastic all rounder he's been.Comment
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There are some riders who are really good at sprinting without being limited in other departments. Cavendish clearly isn't ever going to be a climber. Bettini though was a decent climber on short, sharp hills and could sprint almost as well as the specialist sprinters.Originally posted by fredo View Post
Armstrong benefited enormously from the way his body reacted to the treatment he had - he lost a lot of upper body mass and that helped in the high mountains. He was always a pretty good all-rounder though.
That's one of the things I like about cycling - there seem to be so many variables in terms of ability and form that it offers a nice mix of predictable and unpredictable..
Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.
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Who is Cavendish??
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Profile of Mark CavendishOriginally posted by Scratch View PostLast edited by Neil Young; 18-03-09, 11:01 AM..
Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.
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He's living near that fat cat pacman.Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
Seriously, I didn't know he was that young! I obviously didn't know he was a pure sprinter also. Sorry for being an ignorant party pooper about him. I'm resigning as from now dude.
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Originally posted by fredo View PostHe's living near that fat cat pacman.
Seriously, I didn't know he was that young! I obviously didn't know he was a pure sprinter also. Sorry for being an ignorant party pooper about him. I'm resigning as from now dude.
Actually I enjoyed our little chat about Jalabert, etc.
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Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.
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I'm still a cat and you're a dog, that's the sad story still.Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
Actually I enjoyed our little chat about Jalabert, etc.
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Originally posted by fredo View PostI'm still a cat and you're a dog, that's the sad story still.
A conversation with my girlfriend the other day:
"What did you do last night?"
"Watched a bit of telly, read my book, messed about on the internet..."
"Were you talking to your dog friends again?"
"Er, well, most of them are people. There's a couple of dogs and at least one of them is a cat."
"R-r-r-r-r-ight.".
Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.
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