MMA thread

[Nicey]

Sherdog have Sonnen and Bisping as 2nd and 4th in the world respectively ... in the Middleweight divison, equally Joe Rogan who is a walking MMA computer rates boths fighters as world class ... your logic is funky as **** ..

Stann is currently making his bones in the big lg, great fighter who has some way to go yet .. but the vast majority of fighters in the UFC are already in the Elite Cathogory ... Worldclass now thats perhaps another story ...
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Lots of people under estimate Bisping .. since 2004 he has only lost 3 times (not counting the robbery against Sonnen )

He got clipped by Hendo and went sleepy time... it happens to the best of them
And lost two close decisions to Evans and Wanderiel .... so really he major blip in truth is he got caught by Hendos overhand right
2. Chael Sonnen (27-12-1)

Despite a strong opening round, Sonnen was once again trumped in his UFC title rematch with Anderson Silva on July 7, this time being punched out after an ill-timed spinning back-fist. The loss has prompted a move back to light heavyweight, where Sonnen will take on Forrest Griffin on Dec. 29 in a rematch of a 2003 bout which Griffin won via submission.

3. Chris Weidman (9-0)

Weidman kept his record blemish-free and recorded another impressive victory July 11 with a bloody and brutal knockout of Mark Munoz on Fuel TV. The Serra-Longo product has since been challenged on Twitter by Vitor Belfort, but Weidman declined; likewise, UFC boss Dana White recently stated that Weidman could be next in line for Anderson Silva.

4. Michael Bisping (22-4)

[meffin]

Sherdog have Sonnen and Bisping as 2nd and 4th in the world respectively ... in the Middleweight divison, equally Joe Rogan who is a walking MMA computer rates boths fighters as world class ... your logic is funky as **** ..

Stann is currently making his bones in the big lg, great fighter who has some way to go yet .. but the vast majority of fighters in the UFC are already in the Elite Cathogory ... Worldclass now thats perhaps another story ...
(
Lots of people under estimate Bisping .. since 2004 he has only lost 3 times (not counting the robbery against Sonnen )

He got clipped by Hendo and went sleepy time... it happens to the best of them
And lost two close decisions to Evans and Wanderiel .... so really he major blip in truth is he got caught by Hendos overhand right
2. Chael Sonnen (27-12-1)

Despite a strong opening round, Sonnen was once again trumped in his UFC title rematch with Anderson Silva on July 7, this time being punched out after an ill-timed spinning back-fist. The loss has prompted a move back to light heavyweight, where Sonnen will take on Forrest Griffin on Dec. 29 in a rematch of a 2003 bout which Griffin won via submission.

3. Chris Weidman (9-0)

Weidman kept his record blemish-free and recorded another impressive victory July 11 with a bloody and brutal knockout of Mark Munoz on Fuel TV. The Serra-Longo product has since been challenged on Twitter by Vitor Belfort, but Weidman declined; likewise, UFC boss Dana White recently stated that Weidman could be next in line for Anderson Silva.

4. Michael Bisping (22-4)

For the record I think Bisping is world class.

But we'll have to agree to disagree on Sonnen and Stann

[Nicey]

Ok i'll take that .. : )

[spud_gun]

Nicey a couple of point regarding your last post

Firstly Sherdog?

Secondly Sonnen ranked 2nd at middleweight despite the fact he's moving up to light heavyweight?

Sonnen is the biggest exponent of hype over substance since Lesner.

People still seem to hold his first performance against Silva in high regard despite the fact he was found guilty of doping. That performance should be expunged from our collective memories because of the drugs.

Another question if Rogan has it so hard for Bisping as you've said several times then why hasn't he, Bisping, gotten a title shot yet?

[Alex]

Rogan doesn't make the fights. It's just his opinion.

FWIW I think Weidman is too green/small of a name to go against Silva. Which logically leaves Bisping.

Iit's such a strong division.

[spud_gun]

I know that Rogan doesn't make fights but that's not to say that he doesn't have some sort of sway with Joe Silva

[Nicey]

Nicey a couple of point regarding your last post

Firstly Sherdog?

Secondly Sonnen ranked 2nd at middleweight despite the fact he's moving up to light heavyweight?

Sonnen is the biggest exponent of hype over substance since Lesner.

People still seem to hold his first performance against Silva in high regard despite the fact he was found guilty of doping. That performance should be expunged from our collective memories because of the drugs.

Another question if Rogan has it so hard for Bisping as you've said several times then why hasn't he, Bisping, gotten a title shot yet?

Rogan has zero say .. zero say on who gets a title shot ... he has no sway nor would he want too .. hes a comedian first and foremost and he takes that **** very very seriously ..

I think Bisping has not got a shot because each time he has got his number 1 contender shot he has got beat .. by Evans .. By Wanderiel .. by Sonnen ... to take those 3 people to a decision tells you all you need to know about that guy.

Sherdog is one of the most respected MMA websites around, its been going since 1997, has a 1/4 of a million posters who have contributed 36 million posts, I not sure what your problem with it is

Sonnen tested positive for Elevated Testosterone, he was on it for 3 years at the time, eventually his ban was reduced by the Commission because he has shown to have a medically lower Testosterone.

But hey ... as Matt Danzing said last week, up to 90 % of the UFC cycle, still I take you point to an extent.

Chael Sonnen is a monster ... he goes through fighters like butter, he may not be the prettiest fighter .. but its not a competition of style over substance .. its two men in a cage trying to beat each other into submission. Its widely accepted by most knowledgeable people in the sport Sonnen has the best style to beat Anderson

Finally Sonnen may be moving up to Light Heavy but last time I checked he has not fought anybody at that weight yet ... kind of hard to classify him as a lightheavy weight fighter till he fights there

[Nicey]

Rogan doesn't make the fights. It's just his opinion.

FWIW I think Weidman is too green/small of a name to go against Silva. Which logically leaves Bisping.

Iit's such a strong division.

Weidman is 9-0 and he is rated about as high as a fighter can be without a belt in the sport ... he fights out of the Serra-Longo Fight Team, that team has been mowing people down now and has become a real force in MMA and they absolutely rave about the guy

I'd give him the title shot first ... I hope they dont match Bisping to him .... for Bispings sake

[Gibbo]

I was on about Sonnen. Who are your Top 10 BTW?

Jones
Silva
Aldo
GSP
Dos Santos
Overeem (I know, but he's still a monster)
Renan Barao
Mighty Mouse
Rashad Evans
Cain Valasquez

[Nicey]

I'd go with

1.GSP
2.Anderson Silva
3 Jon Jones
4 Dominic Cruiz
5 Junior Dos Santos
6.Benson Henderson
7.Overeem
8.Edgar
9.Evans
10.Nic Diaz

[Gibbo]

No Jose Aldo Nicey?!

[Nicey]

No Jose Aldo Nicey?!

To be fair for some reason I have not seen a lot of his fights ... but sure hes top of the food chain ... difficult to pick a fighter to drop out of my original top ten

[Alex]

Surprised you have GSP as top mate. Hes not fought for something like 15 months.

Also, for all those previous posts about Bisping being top 10. You didnt have him

[meffin]

To be fair for some reason I have not seen a lot of his fights ... but sure hes top of the food chain ... difficult to pick a fighter to drop out of my original top ten

P4P he is better than Henderson, Cruz, Edgar, Evans and Diaz IMO

[RichC]

Not sure about my top ten as such but I'd certainly have Silva at the top, don't think I've ever seen a better MMA fighter than him, it's almost like watching violent ballet!