MMA thread

[Gibbo]

Best fighter there has ever been.

He is so strong it is unreal, he has to fight Jones, he just has to.

Special mention for Moldinado, dude was a ****ing warrior!

[Nicey]

Superb Card .. superb ... fight of the night for me was Finches ..loved that fight

[Nicey]

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[spud_gun]

Well then ****ing correct me douchebag

Forgot all about this

You're hyperbole with regards to Bisping, Sonnen and GSP was a little much.

Bisping is a very solid mid-card fighter. Has been his entire career. However each time he's stepped up to an elite level he's been found out. You're assertion that anyone who can't see Bisping is a good fighter doesn't know anything about MMA is laughable. That level is argument belongs of ****e like Sherdog.

With regards to Sonnen he is where he is because he sells PPVs. He doesn't shift the PPV units because he's an elite level fighter. No he shifts them because he runs his mouth. He's a smart guy. He knows his skill set is limited and he'll always be found out against the elite fighters. So instead he's built this apparent 'bad ass' persona which White LOVES because of the PPV units he shifts, nothing else.

It's comical that he's anywhere near the LHW title scene. The only reason he is are outlined above.

As for GSP and perhaps i've taken this the wrong way but you said he's perhaps the greatest athlete ever. Do you mean in MMA or in general?

[Nicey]

Forgot all about this

You're hyperbole with regards to Bisping, Sonnen and GSP was a little much.

Bisping is a very solid mid-card fighter. Has been his entire career. However each time he's stepped up to an elite level he's been found out. You're assertion that anyone who can't see Bisping is a good fighter doesn't know anything about MMA is laughable. That level is argument belongs of ****e like Sherdog.

Opinions Opinions, to be fair to you, I shared the same opinion up until his last two fights. In my opinion and many more he has pushed on and now ranks as a truly elite fighter, the only thing he is missing is some dynamite in his fists. If you dont think Bisping is a good fighter, you obviously know nothing about MMA, I stand squarely behind that statement.

With regards to Sonnen he is where he is because he sells PPVs. He doesn't shift the PPV units because he's an elite level fighter. No he shifts them because he runs his mouth. He's a smart guy. He knows his skill set is limited and he'll always be found out against the elite fighters. So instead he's built this apparent 'bad ass' persona which White LOVES because of the PPV units he shifts, nothing else.

Its called mixed martial arts for a reason, Sonnen uses what works for him, and he is the best at it. There are two fighters most fighters really do not want to fight Palhares and Sonnen, why ? because one is going to break something and put you out of the game for 6 months and the other is going to put you on your ass regardlesss of what you have trained.
If you dont think Sonnen is all that, then perhaps Matt Hughes should de inducted out of the Hall of Fame, because essentially he made his rep doing almost the same thing. Ask any professional fighter what they think of Chael Sonnen and not one of them will say he is a snake oil sales man, His style is boring to watch to the average Fight fan, therefore he WWF's it up to make himself relevant. Take a look at Finch, utterly superb fighter .. to the untrained eye boring as **** ... does he have a gimmick ? no ... does he lose fights rarely .. as soon as he lost one .. just one .. there was talk of him being cut .. why because the two fat ****s in the front what to see people stand and bang


It's comical that he's anywhere near the LHW title scene. The only reason he is are outlined above. This is true, but hey do I want to see that fight and that season of TUF, yes, it will be hilarious and he will most likely get his ass handed to him again, but hey he was the only guy willing to fight Jones on short notice, you get windows of opportunities in life, he is very adept at taking them.

As for GSP and perhaps i've taken this the wrong way but you said he's perhaps the greatest athlete ever. Do you mean in MMA or in general?


Whos to say, he is certainly possibly the most complete athlete to grace the sport of mixed martial arts and in terms of his machine, I would say he is one of thee best atheletes around.

All opinions mate yours are obviously wrong though

[Gibbo]

Do you think GSP would beat Silva then Nicey?

[Nicey]

its tricky mate, you would have to give the advantage to Silva just because of his sheer size advantage, I think he has 3 inches of height on GSP and 2 inches in reach. But for me, GSP is thee most complete fighter on the planet. He has no weakness, he is practically undefeated for 10 years, one freak punch by Serra and a single armbar, since 2002.

Like I said, i can see why people might say Silva is the best, but for me and its just my opinion being the best mean systematically destroying your opponents, Silva does not do this, he is a counter striking genius, lures people in and then bamb lights out ... almost every time, thats why he dances infront of people like that .. hes baited them to get sloppy just once because if you do he knows exactly were to hit you, the Forrest griffin fight was a perfect example ... duck duck duck .. rabbit punch ... a lot of people were tough on Forrest but what most people do not release is if you hit people in the right spot, its not about power its about technique

We have them both, lets enjoy them, both legends and extremely worthy champions ... I think the Jones Silva fight is more realistic though .. not sure GSP wants the Silva fight ... and I am not sure Silva wants the Jones fight ...

Once this Next card is over ... if GSP manages to get past Carlos who again is criminally under estimated and appreciated, then there is only 1 fight left out there and thats with Diaz ... but hes been serving a ban for smoking a joint

GSP Versus Conduit .. is an utterly sublime fight .. I cannot wait ... quite possibly one of the best matched title fights in years

[spud_gun]

All opinions mate yours are obviously wrong though

Still take exception to your assertion regarding Bisping. Almost condescending in fact. He's a good fighter but he's not elite.

Anyhow

[Alex]

I would call him Elite. He is the most dangerous British man currently out there at the moment. In Boxing or MMA.

[Nicey]

Still take exception to your assertion regarding Bisping. Almost condescending in fact. He's a good fighter but he's not elite.

Anyhow

Yeah **** sake mate I annoy myself sometimes

[meffin]

Bisping is elite. Put him in any other organisation in the world and he would have the belt. Compare him to every other British fighter and he is miles better, that to me would make him elite. He just isn't the best in the UFC at his weight

[spud_gun]

Bisping is elite. Put him in any other organisation in the world and he would have the belt. Compare him to every other British fighter and he is miles better, that to me would make him elite. He just isn't the best in the UFC at his weight

Therefore he's not elite.

He's good, very good.

[Nicey]

I think Spud you are being harsh on him ... first off he is easily in the top 10 Middle weights in the World, and most people would have in comfortably in the top 5 ...

Think about that for one moment ... in his weight class .. put any man inside a cage with him and he will beat them ... thats ****ing elite

[Nicey]

Therefore he's not elite.

He's good, very good.

Thats bull**** logic .... Rich Franklin, as soon as Anderson Silva came along was not the best in his weight class, does that make him anyless of an Elite Fighter ... with respect ... condescending respect does it ****

[spud_gun]

Thats bull**** logic .... Rich Franklin, as soon as Anderson Silva came along was not the best in his weight class, does that make him anyless of an Elite Fighter ... with respect ... condescending respect does it ****

Ok look at this slightly differently.

You've got Messi, Ronaldo and Xavi considered to be the very best footballers in the world. They're the elite of world football. Who else would you consider to be on a par with these players? I'd hazard a guess at no one. That's not to say that the other players aren't good players they're just not in the same elite class as the aforementioned.

That's not to denigrate those players who aren't in the same elite class as Messi, Ronald and Xavi it's merely a way of acknowledging the very best of the best.

As for the Franklin analogy. It could be argued that he was able to hang with the elite middleweights even after the shellacking Silva gave him first time round. Bisping on the other hand has been defeated each and every time he's stepped up to what we'd consider an elite level.

Whilst we're talking about Bisping his longevity as a UFC fighter is very rare and should be applauded however i think it speaks volumes that the likes of Demian Maia got a title shot ahead of him.

You don't get this level of debate on Sherdog, do ya