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    Bernie Ecclestone has chipped in again



    Formula One supremo Bernie Ecclestone thinks the best way to avoid the furore which greeted Ferrari's one-two finish in the German Grand Prix is to let teams decide themselves whether or not to issue driver orders.

    Although Fernando Alonso took the chequered flag at Hockenheim, he did so after team-mate Felipe Massa, who had received a coded message from his engineer Rob Smedley while leading the race, let him through.

    Ferrari were fined US$100,000 dollars following the incident and although the result was allowed to stand, they could be punished further at a meeting of the FIA's World Motor Sport Council in September.

    The issue centres on article 39.1 of the FIA's sporting regulations, which states that team orders which interfere with a race result are prohibited.

    It was introduced following the Ferrari-inspired debacle at the end of the 2002 Austrian Grand Prix, when Rubens Barrichello slowed within yards of the chequered flag to allow team-mate Michael Schumacher through to win.

    In his role as F1's commercial rights controller, Ecclestone is a sitting member of the WMSC and so was unable to comment specifically on Sunday's incident. However, the 78-year-old does think the rule should be scrapped.

    "I must confess I would agree with anyone who thinks that," said Ecclestone. "We make people call it a team, we say it's got be a team.

    "All the cars have to be exactly the same, the drivers wear the same overalls, so everybody has to look like a team - a team of people that are racing.

    "I believe what people do when they are inside the team, and how they run their team is up to them. That's my opinion."

    When asked whether he thought the rule might be scrapped, Ecclestone replied: "I don't know, we'll have to see. It's something that needs to be discussed.

    "As far as I'm concerned a team is a team, and they should run it whichever way they want to run it.

    "Nobody should interfere as to how they run their team.

    "But of course if they do something that's dangerous then obviously they're going to be in trouble, otherwise get on with it."

    Hypocrisy

    Meanwhile, Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo believes those in the sport who have spoken out against the incident are guilty of "hypocrisy".

    "The polemics are of no interest to me," the Ferrari website (www.ferrari.com) quoted di Montezemolo as saying on Monday.

    "I simply reaffirm what I have always maintained, which is that our drivers are very well aware, and it is something they have to stick to, that if one races for Ferrari, then the interests of the team come before those of the individual.

    "In any case, these things have happened since the days of (Tazio) Nuvolari and I experienced it myself when I was sporting director, in the days of Niki Lauda and not just then," added the Italian, who performed the role when Lauda raced for Ferrari in the 1970s.

    "Therefore enough of this hypocrisy, even if I can well believe that some people might well have liked to see our two drivers eliminate one another, but that is definitely not the case for me or indeed for our fans."
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    Bollocks Bernie it's cheating plain and simple and it's always Ferrari. They'll never struggle to fill the drivers seats because of the politics at Ferrari because people will always want to drive for them but Massa deserved that win at the weekend and they cheated him out of it.

    We've seen the Red Bulls and Mclarens racing wheel to wheel with each other this year so why can't we see it from the Ferrari's?
    We managed to rectify it, though, because it now says, "Cook" where it once said "Cock", and "Pass" where it once said "Piss", so it’s slightly less rude.

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      I have to side with Ferrari here, or any other team that chose to do it. The drivers are part of the team, and sadly Alonso has the better (but still slim) chance of being World Champion this year, so his team mate should do what he can to help...they race for Ferrari, not for themselves.

      If the roles were reversed, and it was Matta passing Alonso due to team orders, would we care as much, or is it just that Alonso is umpopular due to his ego?

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        Originally posted by Scratch View Post
        I have to side with Ferrari here, or any other team that chose to do it. The drivers are part of the team, and sadly Alonso has the better (but still slim) chance of being World Champion this year, so his team mate should do what he can to help...they race for Ferrari, not for themselves.

        If the roles were reversed, and it was Matta passing Alonso due to team orders, would we care as much, or is it just that Alonso is umpopular due to his ego?


        Its a team sport.Not about individuals.its a bit like Drogba last season in the last league game having a strop cos Lampard wouldnt let him take the peno.he couldnt see that it wasnt about him or his golden boot it was about them winning the title first and foremost.its not always Ferrari that do it either.All teams do it in one form or other.Just one race previous to this one Red Bull gave a team order which removed Mark Webbers wing and put it on his team mates car cos Vettel was better positioned in the championship.McLaren have not been opposed to doing it in the past either when Coulthard lost out to Hakkinen.Lately they've allowed their drivers to race which cost them the title in 2007 but that is their perogative just as it is Ferrari's to allow the better placed driver to take the initiative.

        As DC himself says and I quote "every single team in the paddock issues team orders and those that say they don't are lying".

        its time to bin the law against it.
        Last edited by G; 27-07-10, 04:01 PM.

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          I'd disagree with that, if anything I'd make the penalties against it even harsher.

          To reach F1 drivers are supposed to be at the pinnacle of their profession and I'd like to see you find any driver who would want to give away a winning position for the good of the team. To win the Formula 1 world championship you are meant to be the best driver in the best team not the best placed driver in the team. I don't see any merit on winning the World Championship by winning through team orders. Drivers should be allowed to battle until it is mathematically impossible for them to be in contention for the title and then back your lead driver, we're only just halfway through the season for ****s sake.
          We managed to rectify it, though, because it now says, "Cook" where it once said "Cock", and "Pass" where it once said "Piss", so it’s slightly less rude.

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            They might not like it but they are professional enough to understand that its a team sport so the best result for the team comes first.Its up to them to make sure they are the best driver in their team and therefore will receive the full backing of the team in tight situations.I don think anyone can argue with the fact that Alonso is a better driver than Massa.Massa is a bit like Barrichello and Coulthard,Very fast but not quite fast enough to win a title in any of the championship winning cars they were given.Thats the difference between them and Schumacher,Alonso and Hakkinen.

            Even button was not the best driver on the grid last season but his car was and he did the best job with it for the most part.I found it amusing his comments after the race about Alonso's pass when he benefited himself last season by winning a race Barrichello had led for much of it cos the team changed Buttons agreed strategy which got Jenson out in front,something Rubens was deeply upset by at the time.There wasn't much furore cos a Brit had won and the team had managed to not make it obvious

            Team orders happen,always have and always will,the drivers job is to make sure he's the one who benefits.
            Last edited by G; 28-07-10, 08:53 AM.

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              Team sport or not, they owe it to the Public who pay good money to watch them to actually have a race. Moving aside for your team mate even though you still has every chance of becoming World Champ as well is just utterly disgraceful and must never be allowed to happen again.
              "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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                Its not great to see and i don't like it either but he has no chance of winning the title,even Alonso has only a marginally better chance but IMO you pay to watch the teams race each other,its rare to expect the teammates to race each other given whats a stake in a team sport cos they know the chances of 2 egos having each other off are very high

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                  Originally posted by Djimi Cruyff View Post
                  Anyone but Alonso for the drivers championship for me now.
                  I would say that anyway. He's the Ronaldo of F1 if you ask me, a jumped up little **** who has hissy fits if he doesn't get his own way.

                  Originally posted by Gaz View Post
                  Massa made a small mistake when shifting up three gears at once
                  Hmm.. sounds a bit familiar that doesn't it... wasn't it Hamilton's car that "accidentally selected neutral" a couple of years back in pretty much the same situation?

                  Originally posted by Scratch View Post
                  or is it just that Alonso is umpopular due to his ego?
                  No, because he's an asshole.

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                    So if Webber does it to Vettel or Hamilton does it to Button its ok cos they're sound?

                    They might not ask for it but if the team made a decision that favoured them they'd be mighty chuffed about it

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                      The teams should just tell them, before the race starts, "right, he's way ahead of you in the championship, so if you're in the point scoring places and he's behind you, let him pass". Do it all off air, behind closed doors, and no one will be any wiser.

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                        Not at all, but if it was one of the other teams there'd be points being removed etc, but because is Ferarri, **** all as usual happens, £65k fine...? oooh ouch.


                        FIA = Ferarri International Assistance - Everyone knows this.

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                          Yeah we've all heard it but Ferrari have been screwed by stewards decisions in the last 2 races.IMO its about time the got one in their favour

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                            Originally posted by PoolG View Post
                            Yeah we've all heard it but Ferrari have been screwed by stewards decisions in the last 2 races.IMO its about time the got one in their favour
                            They've had it in thier favour for the last 10 years, its about time they were treated like any other team
                            Originally posted by fah-q
                            Didn't someone once see Philip Schofield ****ting into a crisp packet?

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                              Vettel=spoilt brat after his little rant while doing his penalty.
                              96 Never Forgotten

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                                Schumacher just tried to do murder on Barrichello.

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