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    The fascinating thing is that it's even a discussion. Given Rodgers' pedigree, where GB was at the start of the season, and where DC has been for years now, the way we're talking about the game is pretty remarkable.

    There are certain matchups that I think favor Washington, especially in the passing game, enough that I have some cautious optimism. Breeland can take Cobb out of the game, and Smith will do well against whoever's on the Packers' left side. (Even if it's Bakhtiari, he's not going to be at full speed.) So they should get some pressure, and could leave Rodgers trying to beat them with James Jones and the lesser Rodgers on the outside. That's dangerous - it's still Aaron Rodgers - but far from imposing.

    And with the way he's played lately I'd back Cousins to put up some points, too. If anything, it's GB's running game which should decide it, which no one really talks about. They're a top ten team on the ground and Washington is pretty dire stopping the run - a little better since Knighton's been fully healthy, but still pretty bad. Can they stop Lacy from going for 125, if GB commits to the run? Probably not. Incredible to think that the Packers may be better served by taking the ball out of Rodgers' hands than putting it in them, but those are the circumstances.

    Still should be close enough that a turnover or two could swing it.

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      Redskins are only two seasons removed from winning the NFC East. We're not talking about the Browns.

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        Watching the Browns take a fourth first round QB in ten years in the draft is going to be a beautiful thing.

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          Originally posted by spud_gun View Post
          Redskins are only two seasons removed from winning the NFC East. We're not talking about the Browns.
          And then the QB who led them to that had his knees explode before they went 3-13 and 4-12 in consecutive years. They're not as bad as the Browns (or the Jaguars, who don't get made fun of nearly enough) but as far as laughingstock franchises go they're in the top five. Particularly given what happened with the QB change in preseason.

          Originally posted by Hollowman View Post
          Watching the Browns take a fourth first round QB in ten years in the draft is going to be a beautiful thing.
          Especially at 2. Neither Goff nor Lynch should be going anywhere near that high. Better off going with whichever of Bosa or Tunsil falls to them and getting talent in the building, but they'll talk themselves into a QB.

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            Especially as it'll probably be Bosa. Titans badly need to protect Mariota. I'd half respect them if it was Lynch, simply because he's a freak and it'd be so random. But they'll say Goff.

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              Originally posted by Hemingway View Post
              And then the QB who led them to that had his knees explode before they went 3-13 and 4-12 in consecutive years. They're not as bad as the Browns (or the Jaguars, who don't get made fun of nearly enough) but as far as laughingstock franchises go they're in the top five. Particularly given what happened with the QB change in preseason.
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              Granted the RGIII situation is a disaster. They're going to cut him aren't they? No way they pay him $15m or so to warm the bench this season.

              As for laughing stock franchises? I'd give my eye teeth for my team to have won as many Superbowls as they have

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                Originally posted by spud_gun View Post
                Granted the RGIII situation is a disaster. They're going to cut him aren't they? No way they pay him $15m or so to warm the bench this season.

                As for laughing stock franchises? I'd give my eye teeth for my team to have won as many Superbowls as they have
                Well, that's true, they had their glory years. I meant (and should have included) in the past decade or so, in regards to how they've been run.

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                  They've only won Superbowls in seasons that have been shortened by strike action though, haven't they? I remember watching 2 of them!

                  As for the Browns, I was hoping Manziel would prove the doubters wrong. Still hope he can, but looks like it won't be in Cleveland.

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                    Two of the three, yeah. The '91 team did play out a full year. But that's really the last great team they had.

                    Manziel has time on his side, but for his sake should go somewhere he can lay low for awhile. KC or Houston or something. Same with RGIII. But one of them's going to end up in Dallas.

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                      If Jerry dreamed about a footballer, wouldn't it look like Manziel? He's your archetypal Jerryballer.

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                        Originally posted by Hollowman View Post
                        If Jerry dreamed about a footballer, wouldn't it look like Manziel? He's your archetypal Jerryballer.
                        So much so that GM Jerry passed up the opportunity to draft him in 2014.

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                          He wanted to, though. Supposedly one theory is that he doesn't want Romo to feel threatened, hence never acquiring any sort of proper backup. After this year I don't think there's any way around it, though.

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                            On reflection they dodged an absolute bullet with Manzel and picked up a stud lineman to boot.

                            What team do you follow?

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                              Originally posted by spud_gun View Post
                              On reflection they dodged an absolute bullet with Manzel and picked up a stud lineman to boot.

                              What team do you follow?
                              Oh, it worked out great for them. Good example of why Jerry shouldn't be making decisions. I don't expect he'll let that stop him.

                              And I follow the whole league, but I'm a Washington fan in particular (as you might've been able to tell).

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                                GB v WAS is on at 9:40 PM on Sunday (GMT), nice!

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