Boxing

[Zapater]

I think Whyte is a trickier opponent that Wilder tbh. He is heavier, rougher, and if motivated and in shape, should be better equipped physically to handle Fury's leaning/clinching/pushing. Unlike Wilder, Whyte can perform the basics of boxing and whilst limited he is nowhere near being the one trick pony Wilder is. Think if Whye was fed the same opponents that Wilder was (save for Fury) that Whyte would have had the same zero losses stat on his record. Ortiz is the only other name on Wilder'record that might have given Whtye problems but would expect Whyte to beat Ortiz.

Don't think he has the power to one shot Fury though, but he might be heavy handed enough to break Fury down through a number of punches having a cumulative effect.


Now I fancy Fury to win this and if he cannot stop Whyte or force a stoppage I think that would be a poor result for him tbh. Fury should be able to beat Whyte more comfortably than Joshua did.

My logic behind that statement is very simple, Fury understands when to clinch, when to spoil and when to ****house, and is good at all three whereas Joshua against Whyte did not seem to be able to clinch/lean/spoil when that was needed and as such Whyte gave Joshua more trouble in that fight than he should have imo.

I think Whyte has improved a bit since the Joshua fight too. It depends how the fight goes, Whyte is also quite long and clumsy (like Fury). I would be surprised if Fury managed to stop him, the only hope of that would be Whyte to gas himself (as he does) and Fury throwing a flurry without response. I know that Povetkin KO'd him but I don't think that Fury has that same one shot power, that was timed to perfection too - so a couple of variables were involved.

I'm still not sure if I'll be bothered to tune in.

[Doc_Piptorious]

I might have a little punt on a Whyte KO if I can get a bit of value.

I think Whyte is a trickier opponent that Wilder tbh. He is heavier, rougher, and if motivated and in shape, should be better equipped physically to handle Fury's leaning/clinching/pushing. Unlike Wilder, Whyte can perform the basics of boxing and whilst limited he is nowhere near being the one trick pony Wilder is. Think if Whye was fed the same opponents that Wilder was (save for Fury) that Whyte would have had the same zero losses stat on his record. Ortiz is the only other name on Wilder'record that might have given Whtye problems but would expect Whyte to beat Ortiz.

Don't think he has the power to one shot Fury though, but he might be heavy handed enough to break Fury down through a number of punches having a cumulative effect.


Now I fancy Fury to win this and if he cannot stop Whyte or force a stoppage I think that would be a poor result for him tbh. Fury should be able to beat Whyte more comfortably than Joshua did.

My logic behind that statement is very simple, Fury understands when to clinch, when to spoil and when to ****house, and is good at all three whereas Joshua against Whyte did not seem to be able to clinch/lean/spoil when that was needed and as such Whyte gave Joshua more trouble in that fight than he should have imo.

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I might have a little punt on a Whyte KO if I can get a bit of value.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Taylor offers Catterall a rematch but not for the belts and only at a higher weight.

Have no idea how Taylor will do a weight up, but he did looked drained going into the fight against Catterall so he would not have that issue with less weight to lose.


Then over with the clowns heavyweights


Fury claiming he will retire after the Whyte fight and that he has nothing more to do to prove he is one of the greatest boxers ever. Not greatest heavyweights but greatest boxers at any weight. Poor deluded ****er did not even prove to be the greatest of the current crop of **** heavyweights let alone being one the greatest boxers at any weight.

Still I suppose he did beat the hapless Wilder a couple times along with his one win of note against Wlad.

Then again Fury is like Connor McGregor and just talks utter **** only to then say the opposite the next day.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Just listened to Robert Smith of the BBOC on Bunces Boxing Podcast and he said that it was an exceptionally close fight. The card being queried is that of Ian John Lewis. Surprise Surprise?

That score card seems to be an outlier and the board will invite Ian to discuss it and his thoughts on the fight

The other two cards were accepted for what they were. Close cards in a very close fight.

That's the extent of the investigation.

[spud_gun]

Yeah of course it was. That is why the scoring is under an official investigation now


As for Adam Smith, well there is a thing called a volume control you know. Works a treat for getting rid of the braindead **** before, during and after fights on Sky.

Works for the footy too when idiots scummers like Carragher and Neville are on, so a double bonus.

Just listened to Robert Smith of the BBOC on Bunces Boxing Podcast and he said that it was an exceptionally close fight. The card being queried is that of Ian John Lewis. Surprise Surprise?

That score card seems to be an outlier and the board will invite Ian to discuss it and his thoughts on the fight

The other two cards were accepted for what they were. Close cards in a very close fight.

That's the extent of the investigation.

[Doc_Piptorious]

117 - 108 is a mental score card and so, so wide of the mark. You'd be up in front of the BUI had you scored the fight that way on the night.

To calm some of the hysteria from Sat night look at the judges scoring. The scoring was exceptionally close. The judge that scored the fight for Catterall gave it to him by one round.

Out of interest do you score fights round by round as you're watching them or do you take direction from Sky's Adam Smith on how to score them?

Yeah of course it was. That is why the scoring is under an official investigation now


As for Adam Smith, well there is a thing called a volume control you know. Works a treat for getting rid of the braindead **** before, during and after fights on Sky.

Works for the footy too when idiots scummers like Carragher and Neville are on, so a double bonus.

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117 - 108 is a mental score card and so, so wide of the mark. You'd be up in front of the BUI had you scored the fight that way on the night.

To calm some of the hysteria from Sat night look at the judges scoring. The scoring was exceptionally close. The judge that scored the fight for Catterall gave it to him by one round.

Out of interest do you score fights round by round as you're watching them or do you take direction from Sky's Adam Smith on how to score them?

[Doc_Piptorious]

Was starting to doubt my own ability to roughly score a fight after the weekend but then saw the stats.


Had to look back at the thread to see how I scored the fight and saw I scored it 117 -108

Now look at the punches landed per round bit. Punches landed, where they land, the effect they have (be it in pushing back, stunning, allowing space for another punch, causing a knock down, causing a wobble etc etc) is part of what I try to look for when watching I fight.

The punches landed for each round has Catterall landing more punches for 11 out of 12 rounds

So using that it gives a score of 119 - 109

But both had a point docked so that makes it 118- 108

And there was a knockdown round so that makes it 118 -107 so not far from what I thought I was scoring round by round in the thread.

Now that is a very very simplistic way to look at it and it does not take into account if a particular judge rewards aggression or rewards defensive work or if a judge simply does not like spoiling or if a judge is influenced by cheers from the crowd (not to mention if a judge is influenced by a brown envelope full of notes), but generally if a fight goes the distance and one fight had landed more than 50% more punches than the other over the course orf a fight and generally lands the most punches in almost every round, then that fighter normally will score the better of the two.

Still cannot figure out how any of the judges scored the fight and would love to be able to see the round by round scoring for each judge just to try and see which rounds they gave to Taylor and not to Catterall.

[Shaggy]

Was out last night and watched it back this morning. Just totally disgusted. Boxing is corrupt as ****. Makes me want to stop watching. A total disgrace.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Social media last night was awash with big names in boxing and sport in general calling that outcome a disgrace. Couldn't find a single person who thought it was the right decision.

Oh there is at least one

Three if you include Taylor's Mam and Nan who I think were judges last night.

[Rafa Justice]

Social media last night was awash with big names in boxing and sport in general calling that outcome a disgrace. Couldn't find a single person who thought it was the right decision.

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Worth a watch.
David Price on Paddy Pimblett's show

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Howard Foster just scored the third round of Hagler / Hearns to Tommy Hearns

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Two of those judges were on VAR at Goodison today.