Boxing

[Zapater]

On the PED thing, interesting that Canelo really rallied in the late rounds of the first fight, whereas he faded in them now. His 'second wind' was nowhere. Obviously also proves nothing, but interesting to consider.

[spud_gun]

On the PED thing, interesting that Canelo really rallied in the late rounds of the first fight, whereas he faded in them now. His 'second wind' was nowhere. Obviously also proves nothing, but interesting to consider.

He also fought different fights.

First fight he was on the back foot slot more

Tonight he was center ring and initiating slot more. Very hard to keep that constant pressure up for 12 rounds

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Joke decision.

[Vermilion]

Never mind, cheats never prosper.

Doh!

[Darth Marty]

It was a bull**** decision again, albeit not as bad as the first corrupt as **** decision. GGG has his record tarnished now by winning both fights, yet somehow ending with a D & L on his record. **** drugs cheats, **** Goldenboy and **** boxing politics.

Crazy that we need a 3rd rubber to decide a match up which the Champion has won both fights, yet is no longer a champion and ended up with a draw and loss! ha ha GGG must be ****ing furious.

[Leyton388]

What a fight that was. I honestly thought it could have gone either way in the end, although GGG did seem to hurt Canelo in the later rounds.

There's got to be a third fight.

[marcus50bucks]

Obvious that Canelo gets the gift decision. I think Golovkin comfortably won the last 4 rounds. So they're saying that there wasn't 2 or 3 rounds for the rest of the bout? I get the draw, kind of. But I don't accept Alvarez winning that, even by 1 round. Yes, there were close rounds, but that means that they ALL went Canelo's way on all 3 judges scorecards. Not happy with that decision.

I know it isn't a means to judge a fight, but Golovkin wasn't ever in trouble where Canelo was exhausted and hurt twice. Just because Alvarez was holding his position and moving forward , doesn't mean he was winning all of the early rounds either.

Said it after the last fight and I'll say it again. If there's another fight, it should be in Germany. Obviously it wont happen, but GGG lives there and it would be a giant stadium fight where Canelo wouldn't get a thing on any scorecard.

At some point today I am going to watch it again and see if my opinion changes. I thought Golovkin won it by a couple of rounds but they were some very close rounds that could have gone either way. I felt it could have been scored a draw (which iirc Bunce had it) but I don't think Canelo did enough to win it. Thing is speaking to friends, browsing some of the boxing fans forums, there are quite a few that do feel Canelo edged it. Haye was one of them.

Overall, I enjoyed the fight. Can't remember a moment where either fighter spent time on the ropes. It was a very good technical fight with both fighters going on the attack.

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Harold Lederman (HBO Sports): 116-112 Golovkin
Brian Campbell (CBS sports): 116-112 Golovkin
Dan Rafael (ESPN): 114-114 draw
Stephen A. Smith (ESPN): Golovkin won
Arash Markazi (ESPN): 114-114 draw
Brett Okamoto (ESPN): 114-114 draw
Teddy Atlas - Golovkin won
Salvador Rodríguez (ESPN Mexico): 114-114 draw
Eduardo Lamazón (Televisa): 116-112 Golovkin
Gareth A Davies (The Telegraph): 116-112 Golovkin
Josh Peter (USA Today): 115-113 Golovkin
Sports Illustrated: 114-114 draw
Dylan Hernandez (LA Times): 115-113 Golovkin
Lance Pugmire (La Times): 114-114 draw
BoxingScene: 114-114 draw
Chris Mannix (Yahoo! Sports): 115-113 Golovkin
Kevin Iole (Yahoo! Sports): 114-114 draw
The Guardian: 116-112 Golovkin
Joe DePaolo (Washington Post): 115-113 Golovkin
Mike Coppinger (Ring Magazine): 114-114 draw
Douglass Fischer (Ring Magazine): 114-114 draw
Mike Baca II (Ring Magazine and Undisputed Champion Network): 115-113 Golovkin
Al Bernstein (Showtime Sports): Golovkin won
Sherdog.com: 116-112 Golovkin
Jai Bednall (news.com.au): 115-113 Golovkin
Brian Mazique (Forbes): 114-114 draw
Adam Abramowitz (Ring Magazine and SN Boxing): 115-113 Golovkin
Tom Craze (Bad Left Hook): 116-112 Golovkin
Fraser Coffeen (Bloody Elbow): 115-113 Golovkin
Anton Tabuena (Bloody Elbow): 115-113 Golovkin
The Associated Press: 114-114 draw
Adam Caparell (Complex Sports): 116-112 Golovkin
Bill Simmons (HBO and The Ringer): 114-114 draw
Steven Muehlhausen (Sporting News): 116-112 Golovkin
Andreas Hale (Sporting News): Golovkin won
Graham Houston (Boxing Monthly): Canelo won
Michael Montero (MonteroOnBoxing): 115-113 Golovkin
Matt Christie (Boxing News): 115-114 Golovkin
George Willis (New York Post): 114-114 draw
Gary Melo (SportsNet Canada): Golovkin won
Below The Belt Podcast: 115-113 Golovkin
World Boxing News: 115-113 Golovkin
Jeff Powell (Daily Mail): 116-113 Golovkin
Marcos Villegas (Fight Hub TV): 114-114 draw
Michelle Rosado (Raging Babe): 115-113 Canelo
Michelle Joy Phelps (Behind the Gloves): 115-113 Golovkin
Lennox Lewis: Golovkin won by 2 rounds
Fight Nights: 115-113 Golovkin
Michael Woods (NYFights.com): two point edge for Golovkin
Dieter Kurtenbach (San Jose Mercury News and the East Bay Times): Golovkin won by 3 rounds
Rafael G (the Fight City): 116-112 Golovkin


34 for GGG, 2 for Canelo, 15 for Draw

[Doc_Piptorious]

Scored it 115-113 in favour of GGG myself, but was the sort of fight that could have been scored a close win either way tbh.


GGG fought the better fight for me, but Canelo fought in a style that is favoured by some judges and can see how that would have made it easier for him to pick up points.


The bit that caught my eye was how, in the eyes of two of the judges, Canelo won two of the final four rounds. For my money GGG won all four of them and especially the final round. If the final round went to GGG on all cards then it would have finished a draw.

Round 9 I could not get why a judge gave it to Canelo either as he was hurt in that round with GGG very much the better during the round.

[Zapater]

In case you didn't see the scorecard. Compubox too, not that tells you too much in a professional ring. If there is a rematch, Golovkin would do well to invest in some body work.

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I think GGG blocked a lot of those punches

[Doc_Piptorious]

In case you didn't see the scorecard. Compubox too, not that tells you too much in a professional ring. If there is a rematch, Golovkin would do well to invest in some body work.

Some interesting stats there, and the % of landed punches is what catches my eye. Accuracy will catch the eye when you are ringside, and Canelo was a lot more accurate than I thought he was. The difference in body shots is waaaaay more than I thought it was as well.

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Just watched it again and I think those stats must count nearly every punch GGG blocked as landing.
Golden girl promotions to the rescue.

[Zapater]

Compubox is a rather flawed system. Correct me if I'm wrong but to my knowledge it basically has guys monitoring fights manually pressing a button when they believe a fighter has landed a clean shot. So it's probably the most accurate means of getting some raw data but there is a big human error component to it.

If it happened in a different fight, I wouldn't scrutinise the judging so closely, but Canelo is always on the right side of a decision. It's happened consistently, gets the UD in something he's scraped through and has got the decision in a few that he has lost. The Mayweather scorecard is one of the most disgraceful scorecards I've ever seen in boxing. I find it hard to give Canelo more than a single round in that bout, but one of the judges somehow scored it a draw.

The Pacquiao - Marquez fights were also pretty bad for me. I struggle to see how Pacquiao won any of them, let alone 3. The 3rd fight was the clearest UD win I've ever seen and not one judge had it in Marquez's favour. Lara vs Paul Williams (and Canelo for that matter) was also a shocker.

The Trinidad and de la Hoya one was also a bit of a contentious one, but Oscar can only blame himself after throwing the last 3 rounds, where it was possible Trinidad stole a couple of those other rounds. We need to remember that it's 12 short fights, not one long one from a scoring perspective but judges really need to be looked at. In both of these fights I would say over 85% of 'experts', media, fans, ex-fighters etc had Golovkin winning. How is it that the judges are the only people who conclusively think that the fight was different?

In terms of being at the venue, the pro-Alvarez crowd could influence things, but judges at this level should be immune to this. It's just too many fights, consistently given Canelo the rub of the green. Really pisses me off.

I've been smashing Jameson as well. Going to get a few hours and try to be up for the main event. Will definitely record though.

For the undercard; Jaime Munguia looks a good prospect, so is worth a watch. Lemieux wiping the smugness from Spike O'Sullivan's face with a KO should also provide entertainment, but I'm definitely not waking up for that.

Well that was a good prediction, don't know if anyone caught it but what a hook. Perfect for his stupid moustache.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Compubox is a rather flawed system. Correct me if I'm wrong but to my knowledge it basically has guys monitoring fights manually pressing a button when they believe a fighter has landed a clean shot. So it's probably the most accurate means of getting some raw data but there is a big human error component to it.

If it happened in a different fight, I wouldn't scrutinise the judging so closely, but Canelo is always on the right side of a decision. It's happened consistently, gets the UD in something he's scraped through and has got the decision in a few that he has lost. The Mayweather scorecard is one of the most disgraceful scorecards I've ever seen in boxing. I find it hard to give Canelo more than a single round in that bout, but one of the judges somehow scored it a draw.

The Pacquiao - Marquez fights were also pretty bad for me. I struggle to see how Pacquiao won any of them, let alone 3. The 3rd fight was the clearest UD win I've ever seen and not one judge had it in Marquez's favour. Lara vs Paul Williams (and Canelo for that matter) was also a shocker.

The Trinidad and de la Hoya one was also a bit of a contentious one, but Oscar can only blame himself after throwing the last 3 rounds, where it was possible Trinidad stole a couple of those other rounds. We need to remember that it's 12 short fights, not one long one from a scoring perspective but judges really need to be looked at. In both of these fights I would say over 85% of 'experts', media, fans, ex-fighters etc had Golovkin winning. How is it that the judges are the only people who conclusively think that the fight was different?

In terms of being at the venue, the pro-Alvarez crowd could influence things, but judges at this level should be immune to this. It's just too many fights, consistently given Canelo the rub of the green. Really pisses me off.



Well that was a good prediction, don't know if anyone caught it but what a hook. Perfect for his stupid moustache.

Spike is a bit of a funny one for me. When he boxes I want to see him lose, but away from the ring he comes across as a very sound bloke and gets involved with a lot of great causes in Cork city like the Penny Dinners organisation and others.


Think he tries a bit too hard to make himself a "character" when doing anything boxing related and probably needs that charater side to hype himself as talent wise he is pretty much a run of the mill fighter