Boxing

[Shaggy]

This is brilliant. I remember watching both fights with my dad, and their careers, totally enthralled. What a time for middleweight boxing, British boxing.

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[Shaggy]

That was super impressive from Canelo. Absolute predator at the end.

[RichC]

Plant boxed very well but the power Canelo has is very impressive.

[fidget]

Another commanding performance from the extremely talented drug cheat

[RichC]

I don’t think it was commanding; Plant outboxed him for the vast majority of that fight.

Staying clear of contaminated meat seems to be Canelos issue though

[fidget]

[RichC]

Vegas scoring cards for their cash cow. Remember Mayweather was a split decision after dominating him for 12 Rounds.

What I saw was Plant out box him, clear as day.

[fidget]

I’m happy for you

[RichC]

Bless.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Ended up watching a replay of the fight mainly due to the exchange between Rich C and Fidget


Statistically/on paper Canelo was dominant, but Plant was the cleaner operator to my eyes for periods of the fight however Plant was so utterly lacking in any sort of power that Canelo openly walked into a lot as there was nothing to worry him or force him into being more tactical.

Think if Plant had any sort of power at all to his punching then Canelo would have tightened up and fought a very different fight. Then again if Plant had any real power Canelo probably would have faced someone else.

Tried scoring it as I watched and had it at 95 -95 after 10 rounds though there was a round that could have gone either way for me.

I gave Plant rounds 1, 4, 8, 9 and 10. Canelo got 2, 3, 5, 6, and 7.

Round 8 was the one I felt could have gone either way but I gave it to Plant. Canelo looked more aggressive in round 8, but a lot of his shots only hit arm and did not connect cleanly. So gave it to Plant for his defensve work in the round.


Edit: Do feel that the fight was one that Canelo could have ended sooner though as he could have walked Plant down a few rounds earlier imo such was the difference in punching power and durability between them

[RichC]

Ended up watching a replay of the fight mainly due to the exchange between Rich C and Fidget


Statistically/on paper Canelo was dominant, but Plant was the cleaner operator to my eyes for periods of the fight however Plant was so utterly lacking in any sort of power that Canelo openly walked into a lot as there was nothing to worry him or force him into being more tactical.

Think if Plant had any sort of power at all to his punching then Canelo would have tightened up and fought a very different fight. Then again if Plant had any real power Canelo probably would have faced someone else.

Tried scoring it as I watched and had it at 95 -95 after 10 rounds though there was a round that could have gone either way for me.

I gave Plant rounds 1, 4, 8, 9 and 10. Canelo got 2, 3, 5, 6, and 7.

Round 8 was the one I felt could have gone either way but I gave it to Plant. Canelo looked more aggressive in round 8, but a lot of his shots only hit arm and did not connect cleanly. So gave it to Plant for his defensve work in the round.


Edit: Do feel that the fight was one that Canelo could have ended sooner though as he could have walked Plant down a few rounds earlier imo such was the difference in punching power and durability between them

It was a close fight; Plant doesn't have the power and you can see that but he's a good technician

Canelo was always going to win on the scorecards (it's Vegas!) but he also has the (contaminated meat) power to have stopped him whenever he really connected.

Canelo as first undisputed SM champion seems all kind of wrong to me but you beat what's put in front of you

[Doc_Piptorious]

It was a close fight; Plant doesn't have the power and you can see that but he's a good technician

Canelo was always going to win on the scorecards (it's Vegas!) but he also has the (contaminated meat) power to have stopped him whenever he really connected.

Canelo as first undisputed SM champion seems all kind of wrong to me but you beat what's put in front of you

Or you beat what you try your best to hand pick in the case of Canelo more often than not.

I agree Plant is a sound boxer. He moves well, he has a nice defense and his attacking patterns are quite effective in getting past an opponent's defense.

Unfortunately for him he is badly lacking in any sort of decent power. If he even had middling power he might have been able to put some doubt in Canelo. Course if Plant had middling power or better then Canelo would have found easier fare as said earlier or found a way to work some stipultaions into a bout.

[Zapater]

Decent scrap between Rosado and Munguia. A good example of how a competitive fight can be scored really wide. Munguia is really smooth, I like him, maybe still a little raw to take on some of the best but really good. Big too, you'd think he was dropping down a division not Rosado.

Competitive fight and Munguia had to work and take some decent shots, but he won just about every round, so the scorecards look bad but it shouldn't be seen as a poor reflection on Rosado.

Watching that Roach looks about 100 and Bernard Hopkins 95.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Decent scrap between Rosado and Munguia. A good example of how a competitive fight can be scored really wide. Munguia is really smooth, I like him, maybe still a little raw to take on some of the best but really good. Big too, you'd think he was dropping down a division not Rosado.

Competitive fight and Munguia had to work and take some decent shots, but he won just about every round, so the scorecards look bad but it shouldn't be seen as a poor reflection on Rosado.

Watching that Roach looks about 100 and Bernard Hopkins 95.

Hopkins was born looking 75 so him looking 95 now means he is doing pretty well.


Fair point on the scoring too. Think the scoring was correct but every round won was earned the hard way. Was a very entertaining fight to watch.

Munguia is a talent and when he gets more quality round under his belt that he has to earn like against Rosado, you can only imagine that he will grow better from the experience.


The fight before it, Rocha vs Barraza, turned out to be way more one sided than I expected it to be and I was expecting it to be one way traffic to begin with.

Rocha just swarmed him from the first round and Barreza was surviving on guts alone for a long time, tbh I thought he was left take shots for maybe too long overall as it was very one sided for a long time and whilst he was still standing and answering the ref's calls, his corner should have made a decision for him instead of letting their man spend round after round taking a beating.

Think from about round four or five I was just repeating "Just fecking end it" over and over at the screen.

Barraza is going to be a sore lad for the next few days with all the hard shots he took to the body. Too brave for his own good.

[Zapater]

Canelo fighting... Ilunga Makabu someone who Bellew took out in 3 rounds. He'll no doubt win and be labelled a maverick for beating a second tier cruiser. I've seen him fight in the flesh a couple times in Johannesburg, he has decent punching power but is very average skills wise. Bad feet too, made to order for a smaller, better schooled opponent.

To be fair though, he has defended his cruiserweight title a few times, would love to see Canelo stopped but don't see it and wouldn't be surprised if there's some weight stipulation in the agreement. Like when Canelo started at "middleweight" draining guys at 157/8 catchweights.

Hopkins was born looking 75 so him looking 95 now means he is doing pretty well.


Fair point on the scoring too. Think the scoring was correct but every round won was earned the hard way. Was a very entertaining fight to watch.

Munguia is a talent and when he gets more quality round under his belt that he has to earn like against Rosado, you can only imagine that he will grow better from the experience.


The fight before it, Rocha vs Barraza, turned out to be way more one sided than I expected it to be and I was expecting it to be one way traffic to begin with.

Rocha just swarmed him from the first round and Barreza was surviving on guts alone for a long time, tbh I thought he was left take shots for maybe too long overall as it was very one sided for a long time and whilst he was still standing and answering the ref's calls, his corner should have made a decision for him instead of letting their man spend round after round taking a beating.

Think from about round four or five I was just repeating "Just fecking end it" over and over at the screen.

Barraza is going to be a sore lad for the next few days with all the hard shots he took to the body. Too brave for his own good.

It was unusual as Barraza was quite good in terms of movement and reflexes for a punching bag. Should've been pulled out a few rounds earlier, dodged and slipped just enough but was never in the fight. He'll probably be pissing blood for another week.