Boxing

[Shaggy]

A pointless fight

[Zapater]

Probably won't watch but it wouldn't shock me if Whyte stopped him. I've always thought it isn't a terrible matchup for Whyte stylistically.

[Doc_Piptorious]

A pointless fight

Why? There is nobody decent available outside of Whyte unless Fury goes after some plumbers or goes after slow plodding easy meat young up and comers like 36 yo Joyce a man that makes Frank Bruno look fluid and agile. A modern day Primo Carnera if you will.

Dubois is more of the same albeit younger and even managed to be knocked out by Joyce. Fury would chew him up.


Whyte has earned his shot and been the number one contender for what feels like an age.

He is also a far more dangerous opponent that a joke like Wilder.

Fury will not be as lax against Whyte as he was against Wilder. He had no fear or respect for Wilder after the first fight as he knew after that how poor a boxer Wilder was.

Whyte may not be a great heavyweight, then again who is in 2022, but he is technically far better than Wilder (a man with worse footwork than Stephen Hawkings), he is bigger and stronger than Wilder, and a far more live opponent.

Plus Fury needs to start adding some decent names to his record if he wants to keep calling himself a top fighter because right now he has a good win over Wlad to his name and not much else to warrant all the praise he lavishes upon himself.

Wilder he outclassed but Wilder is a terrible boxer and beating him is hardly the achievement of the century that Fury and his supporters like to make it out to be.

We also were never going to get Uysk vs Fury, something that was made very clear in the past few days when Uysk's manager released how Fury's side pretty much wanted nothing to do with the negotiations for that fight and the silence from Fury abnd his camp is pretty damning imho as Fury rarely stays quiet on anything but not a peep of denial from him about the negotiations with Usyk.

Take Usyk and Joshua (who was never going to be meeting Fury without a belt) out of the mix and Whyte is probably the best of the rest of who Fury could meet.

I have to admit I am surprised Fury said yes to fighting Whyte as I expected him to swerve him by dropping the belt or pull out due to an "injury" (suppose the latter could still happen), so him saying yes to Whyte is a positive imo.

Sets up Fury vs Whyte meeting the winner of Usyk vs Joshua.

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First Fury fight I'll pay attention to in a while.
Still not sure it'll actually happen.

[Doc_Piptorious]

First Fury fight I'll pay attention to in a while.
Still not sure it'll actually happen.

Yep is a proper "live" opponent for him. Still have my doubts that something like a pull out for injury or health reasons will not happen.

However if it does go ahead then it is the correct fight to take place for a number of reasons and a very credible heavyweight fight in the current era.

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Yep is a proper "live" opponent for him. Still have my doubts that something like a pull out for injury or health reasons will not happen.

However if it does go ahead then it is the correct fight to take place for a number of reasons and a very credible heavyweight fight in the current era.

[Kenneth]

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[Doc_Piptorious]

Boxing is one of the sports not listed on the programme for the 2028 Olympics.

It can be added in 2023 and in 2025 if any proposal to have it added is approved by the Olympic commitees but as of now it has not been approved as an olympic sport for 2028 and the 2022 proposals are finished now.

[Zapater]

Boxing is one of the sports not listed on the programme for the 2028 Olympics.

It can be added in 2023 and in 2025 if any proposal to have it added is approved by the Olympic commitees but as of now it has not been approved as an olympic sport for 2028 and the 2022 proposals are finished now.

Even though the Olympics are important for launching pro careers, I don't think that's a bad thing. The Olympics are a joke. It's all professionals (boxing too, right?) and **** non-sports, like skateboarding. It's supposed to be about the amateurs but the tennis is almost seen as another slam. Lost all credibility.

I used to think it was a stupid competition because there's a reason no one watches the sports and that's why we don't give a **** about who is the best at archery or the fastest walker but now it's just an absurd/non-relevant commercial exercise. There'll be a gold medal for best Youtuber in a couple of editions time.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Even though the Olympics are important for launching pro careers, I don't think that's a bad thing. The Olympics are a joke. It's all professionals (boxing too, right?) and **** non-sports, like skateboarding. It's supposed to be about the amateurs but the tennis is almost seen as another slam. Lost all credibility.

I used to think it was a stupid competition because there's a reason no one watches the sports and that's why we don't give a **** about who is the best at archery or the fastest walker but now it's just an absurd/non-relevant commercial exercise. There'll be a gold medal for best Youtuber in a couple of editions time.

I would not be overly happy with boxing being removed for pretty much this reason and also for how high profile boxers at the Olympics do help keep numbers signing up for the first time at local ABCs.

I know in Ireland that there was always an uptick in kids trying bosing out for the first time when Katie Taylor was doing well. Same again recently with the wonderful (in and out of the ring) Kellie Harrington and further back with the likes of Michael Currath, Darren Sutherland (RIP) and how it helped push the trainer side of things with folk like the excellent Billy Walsh inspiring people to turn their in ring experience into a way to teach others.

The Olympics themselves I tend to regards as ****show that is riddled with corruption, but it has always had a knock on effect at grass roots level for certain sports, boxing being one of them.

Think with me it might be more a case of nostalgia over what it used to mean to reach or come close to reaching an Olympic team spot and seeing how much that meant to young boxers, and then seeing the next generation being inspired by the names they saw representing their country.

May well be that if I took off the rose tinted specs my opinion might be more in line with your take.

[Zapater]

I would not be overly happy with boxing being removed for pretty much this reason and also for how high profile boxers at the Olympics do help keep numbers signing up for the first time at local ABCs.

I know in Ireland that there was always an uptick in kids trying bosing out for the first time when Katie Taylor was doing well. Same again recently with the wonderful (in and out of the ring) Kellie Harrington and further back with the likes of Michael Currath, Darren Sutherland (RIP) and how it helped push the trainer side of things with folk like the excellent Billy Walsh inspiring people to turn their in ring experience into a way to teach others.

The Olympics themselves I tend to regards as ****show that is riddled with corruption, but it has always had a knock on effect at grass roots level for certain sports, boxing being one of them.

Think with me it might be more a case of nostalgia over what it used to mean to reach or come close to reaching an Olympic team spot and seeing how much that meant to young boxers, and then seeing the next generation being inspired by the names they saw representing their country.

May well be that if I took off the rose tinted specs my opinion might be more in line with your take.

Fair enough, in developed countries there are actually routes. Being from South Africa, I've heard of horror stories of corruption from twisted entities just to get into the qualification process. Even though the quality has somewhat dried up a little in recent years, there is a lot of talent who would suit the amateur style throughout the country. The catalogue of world champions, particularly at lower weights over the last 30 years or so highlights this. Isn't it funny that almost none of them got a shot at the Olympics? Either robbed or bullied into signing professional deals from promotors and so on. I think there's probably been 30+ world champions/title challengers but not an Olympic medal in the same timeline.

Comparing amateur programmes from the US, UK, Ireland, Russia, Ukraine, Cuba and the odd outlier doesn't really paint a clear picture. Is it about who can produce the talent or who has the best administrative practices?

[Doc_Piptorious]

Fair enough, in developed countries there are actually routes. Being from South Africa, I've heard of horror stories of corruption from twisted entities just to get into the qualification process. Even though the quality has somewhat dried up a little in recent years, there is a lot of talent who would suit the amateur style throughout the country. The catalogue of world champions, particularly at lower weights over the last 30 years or so highlights this. Isn't it funny that almost none of them got a shot at the Olympics? Either robbed or bullied into signing professional deals from promotors and so on. I think there's probably been 30+ world champions/title challengers but not an Olympic medal in the same timeline.

Comparing amateur programmes from the US, UK, Ireland, Russia, Ukraine, Cuba and the odd outlier doesn't really paint a clear picture. Is it about who can produce the talent or who has the best administrative practices?

Yeah I can appreciate there will be differing POVs on it depending on where one lives and their own take on the amatuer sport in their own country. Not to mention those rose tinted specs as well.


I am admittedly looking at the smaller picture and how it impacts local fighters, local clubs and local communities in Ireland with an eye also on the knock on effect it has at that level.

Now widen the scope a little and things like what happened to Conlon muddy the waters and the various ways others make money off of the sport and the layers and layers of corruption and deception raise their many many heads.

Then bring in how things are in other countries and a whole other can of worms is opened.

And yes there are plenty of other very good tournaments for those in the unpaid ranks, but I think it will still be a sad day for the sport if it gets phased out of the Olympics given the history of the sport in those games and as those games move towards being further and further away from what they once were and once represented.

[Buzzo]

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You have monumentally misread the room here.

They are serious. As. ****. About boxing in here.

Pretty much everything I’ve ever posted about in here goes without response due to my lack of knowledge.

[Doc_Piptorious]

You have monumentally misread the room here.

They are serious. As. ****. About boxing in here.

Pretty much everything I’ve ever posted about in here goes without response due to my lack of knowledge.

We let Shaggy in here don't we? So not that serious a thread






Sorry Shaggy







Not sorry




Now **** off back to the egg ball thread

[Doc_Piptorious]

Actually you have given me a great idea how to save boxing, Buzzo.


Tag team boxing



Zap, you're with me fella. We can get the use of a ring in Birmingham, Manchester or Glasgow easily enough. Buzzo and Shaggy can meet us there.