Boxing

[marcus50bucks]

I've seen talk on rawk and boxing forums on how Mayweather v Crawford would fare. I'm probably Mayweather's biggest fan on here but I have to admit it's a 50/50 fight for me. Prime Mayweather that fought De La Hoya, Corrales vs Crawford would be an amazing fight.

As for the fight on Saturday night, it was a flawless performance by Crawford. Spence landed one hard punch the whole fight and it did nothing because Crawford was 50/50 balanced and he countered with a hook that was one of the knockdowns.

Spence didn't understand what was happening to him unfortunately. He is an excellent technician but not a tactician. His coach is also not a good tactician.

I stated previously that Spence looked drained and I know he is talking about fighting Crawford at 154 but he would get smashed again. Crawford is tight at 147 too but not as much as Spence.

[Doc_Piptorious]

I've seen talk on rawk and boxing forums on how Mayweather v Crawford would fare. I'm probably Mayweather's biggest fan on here but I have to admit it's a 50/50 fight for me. Prime Mayweather that fought De La Hoya, Corrales vs Crawford would be an amazing fight.

As for the fight on Saturday night, it was a flawless performance by Crawford. Spence landed one hard punch the whole fight and it nothing because Crawford was 50/50 balanced and he countered with a hook that was one of the knockdowns.

Spence didn't understand what was happening unfortunately. He is an excellent technician but not a tactician. His coach is also not a good tactician.

I stated previously that Spence looked drained and I know he is talking about fighting Crawford at 154 but he would get smashed again. Crawford is tight at 147 too but not as much as Spence.

The technician vs tactician comment is quite apt.


Physically Spence and Crawford are quite close, in terms of how tight their technique is they are also quite close.

I would imagine in terms of drive, raw determination and heart they are pretty close too ( the lack of quit in Spence certainly bears this out)

But in terms of the tactical, ring IQ, ring generalship and other temd one wishes to toss out there. It was like a guy who is really good at checkers playing chess against a chess grandmaster.


Spence is a wonderful technician in the ring, he has great form (talking technique not track record when I use the word form), great balance, really good on the front foot and a really good instinctive fighter.


Crawford on the other hand is what I called him the other day.

He is a thinking man's boxer, a throwback for the purists. He is constantly working out the angles, constantly laying traps that are two three or even four punches down the line, constantly (and crucially calmly) changing on the fly and never losing track of what punch is coming in two punches time and if something changes that means the slavo he had planned cannot happen he has already switched to Plan B and that series of moves is seemlessly inacted. Plus there is always that beautiful switch hitting ability waiting in the wings.


As for Mayweather vs Crawford, that would be a great fight but at 147 I think Mayweather takes Crawford. Mayweather's defensive game at 147 was godlike and the better a fighter he faced the better and tighter that defence became.

Mayweather is one of the best of all time, maybe even the best, at using defence as a weapon that utterly drained his opponent.


At 147 they are world class vs world class but I think Mayweather at 147 was a different level of world class just as Crawford was a different level of world class to Spence Jr. I do not think the gap between Mayweather/Crawford at 147 would be quite as pronouced as what we saw at the weekend but think it would be enough for it to be a 60/40 or maybe even a 65/35 fight in favour of Mayweather.


If I had to pick a fight from the past to best decribe how I woulkd see it going then Sugar Ray Leonard vs Wilifed Benitez would be the one. Sugar Ray being Mayweather. It would be a very cerebral fight just like that one imo.


You take the younger Mayweather when he was a lightweight and pit him against MCrawford at 135 as well and I think it becomes a slightly more open fight as Mayweather back then would take the fight to the other guy more often but still had that elite defensive game to fall back upon.

Crawford at 135 was not quite as well rounded as Mayweather was at the weight imo and at 135 it would have been world class fighter (Mayweather) vs grat fighter (Crawford). Maybe closer than how I see them at 147 or even 140, mainly down to the fact Mayweather would come forward more at the weight, but still 55/45 in favour of Mayweather.

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Whyte fails drug test.
Again.

Dillian Whyte has returned "an adverse finding" from a doping test, causing his heavyweight rematch against Anthony Joshua on 12 August to be cancelled.

The Voluntary Anti-Doping Association (Vada) informed promoters Matchroom and boxing authorities of the test result.

"In light of this news, the fight will be cancelled and a full investigation will be conducted," said a Matchroom statement.

Joshua could still fight at London's O2 Arena if a new opponent can be found.

The fight between Joshua and Whyte, a rematch of their 2015 bout, was announced a month ago.

Joshua, 33, knocked out 35-year-old Whyte in the seventh round of their heated British title fight eight years ago, which also took place at the O2, as he avenged a loss to his rival on the amateur circuit.

Whyte, who lost his only world title challenge to Tyson Fury in 2022, beat Joshua by decision as an amateur in 2009 to start what became a bitter rivalry.

Olympic gold medallist Joshua went on to become a two-time world champion.

Joshua gained revenge when the pair met again as professionals in December 2015, being rocked in the second round but recovering to force a stoppage in the seventh.

White had a doping violation charge dropped in 2019 after UK Anti-Doping said the levels of a banned steroid were "very low" and he was not at fault.

He served a two-year suspension from 2012 to 2014 for taking an illegal supplement.

A tribunal accepted Whyte's claim he did not knowingly take methylhexaneamine (MHA) but said he did not do enough to check the supplement's ingredients.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Funny how these guys who get caught for taking something always have the excuse of "Oh I did not know I was taking it" and then gets caught again and again whilst constantly peddling the same excuses.


Checking what you are taking is basic procedure.


If his recent fights were potentially him on PEDs, I would hate to see how bad he is without them now.

[spud_gun]

Looking forward to Joshua's next fight again Logan Paul

[Doc_Piptorious]

Had zero interest in watching it last night and by all accounts it was what most expected.

A big slow robot fighting a statue.

[spud_gun]

I'm going to the Usyk vs Dubois fight on Saturday

[Zapater]

Round 7 very good. Usyk trying to get Dubois out of there. Regardless of what happens the media outcry of the "low" or not shot is predictably coming.

[Zapater]

Knocked out with the jab. It's a beauty.

Rewatching, I think the shot should have been legal, just about. I'm unsure if it would have KOd him if the ref ruled a knockdown immediately. Uysk was struggling but he may have slowed it down and the same thing could have happened.

Four minutes might not be enough to recover from a killer body shot.

I understand why Dubois has grounds for a rematch but I'm unsure if I want to see one. It is fair to Dubois though. Usyk's English is hilarious.

[kingfunk]

I'm going to the Usyk vs Dubois fight on Saturday

Are you still alive?

[Shaggy]

Dubois understandably feeling hard done by imo. It was close but that decision stank.

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Same as the Joshua fight.
Usyk gets to ref his own fights now.

I think he'd have carried on had the ref ruled it a knockdown but it stank.
Later on Dubois got warned because Usyk told the ref he'd been hit low despite the ref not seeing it.

[spud_gun]

Are you still alive?

Yeah.

Was in Wroclaw for several days last week. Booked months prior to the fight being announced. When the fight was announced we thought it'd be rude not to go along.

Good mixture of Polish, German and obviously Ukrainian's in the crowd. Not sure how it came across on TV but the atmosphere inside the stadium was electric and very partisan. Not seen the official attendance but I'd say it was somewhere between 25,000 and 30,000.

The undercard was alright however the placement of the fights was all wrong.
My mate Denys Berinchyk should have been 2nd on the bill.
I know Hamed was placed 2nd purely for the British PPV audience but the fight killed the momentum that had been building inside the stadium for the previous couple of hours. Absolute ****-show shambles to have Hamed there.

As expected Usyk received a fantastic reception.

The crowd were by in large respectful of DDD and majority stood when the British national anthem was played.

Regarding the fight itself. Usyk was in control in the early rounds.
Now for the 'low blow'. General perception from inside the stadium was that it was a low blow, this has since been confirmed by several different angels of the punch, and that there wasn't any controversy. It was only really when we got back to the hotel last night and started to have a look at the various fight reports that you got an incline of the 'controversy'

For what it's worth i think a rematch would be pointless. Usyk was well in charge control of the fight and any rematch would go exactly the same way.

From a personal perspective it was fantastic to see a boxer like Usyk in the flesh.

I've been to my fair share of boxing shows and to my surprise this is the first one i've been to that wasn't full of coked up ******s in the crowd wanting to fight one another. Really refreshing

Weather in Wroclaw last week was absolutly glorious. 34 degrees and up. About an hour before the fight started the heavens opened. Those in the ring side and floor seats got drenched. The cheap seats were perfectly dry

[Doc_Piptorious]

Yeah.



I've been to my fair share of boxing shows and to my surprise this is the first one i've been to that wasn't full of coked up ******s in the crowd wanting to fight one another. Really refreshing

Welcome to PPV boxing outside the UK or without a big British crowd. Worst boxing "fans" going bar none are the British crowds for a PPV involving a British fighter.

Same no nothing coke heads singing the same racist ****, with no clue about the sport. Bit of Sweet Caroline, few dumb chants, maybe start a few fights in the crowd. Waste of space cunts.

[Deano]

Yeah.

I've been to my fair share of boxing shows and to my surprise this is the first one i've been to that wasn't full of coked up ******s in the crowd wanting to fight one another. Really refreshing

Yep, Did Wladimir Klitschko vs. Tyson Fury in Dusseldorf, with seats in teh Germany part, brilliant, great night and great weekend.

I've done AJ at Wembley and Spurs and both have been ull of ******ed coked up Stone Island wannabess.

Vegas tho, thats a different story !