Boxing

[RichC]

I'd say the cut was genuine only explanation other than that for me is him being undercooked and looking to delay the fight to get some extra time in for the fight ( I doubt this though)

[PTP]

****ing **** this

we spoke the other day about the heavyweight division being ****e but at least this fight would have been worth watching

[Shaggy]

Not this, but the cut eye on the eve of the original fight. Maybe he just doesn't want to fight anymore. Don't see why he came back anyway personally.

I meant any of it. Why would he?!

I'd say the cut was genuine only explanation other than that for me is him being undercooked and looking to delay the fight to get some extra time in for the fight ( I doubt this though)

Agree this is a possibility - maybe playing for time. But he has zero reason to be scared of Fury. It would've been a big step up in class for the big lump and I strongly suspect Haye would've boxed his head off.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Fury v Wilder would see some mad swinging arm action.

Would be like shoving two windmills together


Would be a crude fight lacking in skill, but probably a lot of fun to watch.


Have to laugh at Fury tweeting about whether the brothers would be willing to fight him. Just his usual cheap tactic of trying to talk himself up to a level of bout without having to actual work his way to it in the ring.


Personally I would like to see him in with either brother (although time is very quickly running out for anyone to have a fight with Vitali) as Fury would very quickly find out the diffence between a top class heavy and an average fighter.

The scary thing is that given how poor the heavyweight division actually is at present, there has to be a chance of a guy like Fury getting one of the less regarded belts at some point.

[Gibbo]

****ing **** this

we spoke the other day about the heavyweight division being ****e but at least this fight would have been worth watching

I don't think it would to be honest.

I reckon Haye would sort him our within 6 rounds, if that. It's a shame really. I certainly don't think he's running though.

[paulg]

Why is Heavyweight so bad, these days? It used to be THE division and fights were real fights with real fighters.

[PTP]

who knows? just seemed to have a lack of any talent - maybe the klitchko's have killed it off a bit as there is noone around that looks like competiting with them and it's not because they are 'so' good...ie it's not like they are going to remembered like Ali, Tyson, Lewis etc

[Gibbo]

I think some of it is due to the rising popularity of the lower weights.

All the "bigger" fighters these days are all around the welter/middleweight divisons.

[Doc_Piptorious]

who knows? just seemed to have a lack of any talent - maybe the klitchko's have killed it off a bit as there is noone around that looks like competiting with them and it's not because they are 'so' good...ie it's not like they are going to remembered like Ali, Tyson, Lewis etc

I think history will be kind to the brothers. They will never the seen as being on the same level as the likes of Ali, Tyson etc., but I could easily see them being seen as being on the next tier down with the likes of Larry Holmes, George Foreman etc.

I think they are good enough to have given any heavyweight from any eraa good fight and that the number of past heavyweights that would have been heavy favourites to beat them would be a small one.

The brothers are not "exciting" fighters to watch, and outside of the ring they don't get involved in scandals so they are not as "colourful" as other fighters, but if we are to talk about skills, technique, physical abilities etc., then the brothers are right up there and would defo be in the top 20 of all time in my eyes, and most likely in the top 15.

[PTP]

I think some of it is due to the rising popularity of the lower weights.

All the "bigger" fighters these days are all around the welter/middleweight divisons.

i think the fact that the lower weights can go up and down weights as well helps as it mixes it up - it means that you have a good pool of boxers across 4 or 5 divisions mixing it up.

Heavyweights got nowhere to go apart from the odd cruiserweight stepping up.

[Alex]

The Cruiserweight division has always been a bit of a weird one. Not many stars in it apart from Holyfield, Mormeck and Haye.

[Doc_Piptorious]

The Cruiserweight division has always been a bit of a weird one. Not many stars in it apart from Holyfield, Mormeck and Haye.

Dwight Muhammad Qawi and Carlos de Leon would have to be on any crusierweight best of list long before David Haye to be fair. Not that Haye was anything less than a very good cruiserweight, but Qawi and de Leon were genuine world class crusierweights at a time when that division would have had five or six men in the top ten that would all have been in and around the world class tag.

The mid to late 80's saw the cruiserweight division have a bit of a bumper crop of quality fighters.


A cruiser list without Qawi and de Leon would be like a middleweight list without Monzon. (obv not comparing those two to Monzon in terms of quality, but rather in terms of their standing in their best weight division)

[Chazza]

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/news/2013/11/18/team-wilder-express-interest-in-fury-fight-await-firm-offer-from-hennessy.html

[fidget]

Why is Heavyweight so bad, these days? It used to be THE division and fights were real fights with real fighters.

Sign a very small NFL or NBA deal and you will make more than 99% of heavyweight boxers ever do.

[Chazza]

Deontay Wilder @BronzeBomber
@Tyson_Fury step 1 has been done. We are the top dogs among the hw bro its abt that time. Lets final give the fans what they want. #ImReady