Boxing

[Shaggy]

Bellew beats a scrub and gives it the biggun as usual. He's ****.

Used to support him earlier on but he's just proved himself a mouthy bum. Gets on my tits.

[Zapater]

I see Canelo won on a split last night, anyone watch it ?

I caught the final 6 rounds. Awkward kind of a fight where it could be scored either way. Lara was probably more accurate and boxed on the back foot where Canelo was a bit heavier. Many close rounds, could have gone either way tbh, but there was no controversy as Lara claims given the nature of the fight.

Regarding Bellew, the guy is an idiot. I love how now all of a sudden he's saying he was dead at the weight at LH, when he was fighting there he was constantly banging on about how good he was etc I wish he was man enough to say he was beaten by the better man against Stevenson, but instead he blames the weight, being off on the night etc. Shameful. Although I was happy that he acknowledged him and Cleverly's previous fight should never have been for a world title. Close to the poorest standard of fighters collectively you'll see for a world title.

[spud_gun]

it was a ****e night really.

no decent bouts on - just warm up/keep busy fights

Joshua looks an absolute animal - be great to see him step it up a bit now

apparently his next fight is some Ukrainian fella who took price 12 rounds recently - not that it says much....i reckon he'll blitz him....

eventually though after a few more fights he should just go and spark out Price/Fury/Chisora

He'd prob do them in one night, one after the other


after that it'll be time to step up to world level.

They need to be careful with Joshua.

Two years ago people were saying much the same about David Price.

Don't think Joshua's been hit in any of his fights. First time he's in with someone who can land heavy, clean shots will tell us a lot about how far he'll go

[Doc_Piptorious]

They need to be careful with Joshua.

Two years ago people were saying much the same about David Price.

Don't think Joshua's been hit in any of his fights. First time he's in with someone who can land heavy, clean shots will tell us a lot about how far he'll go

Said it some time back (maybe even on here) but I think people are really overestimating Joshua.

He is standing out up to now due to the standard of fighters he is facing. But a lot of his basics are very average, and do not suggest a very high ceiling imho.


Would like to be proven very very wrong, but I think in a few years he will be more Michael Grant than Mike Tyson in terms of reputation.

[Tee]

Said it some time back (maybe even on here) but I think people are really overestimating Joshua.

He is standing out up to now due to the standard of fighters he is facing. But a lot of his basics are very average, and do not suggest a very high ceiling imho.


Would like to be proven very very wrong, but I think in a few years he will be more Michael Grant than Mike Tyson in terms of reputation.

Interesting, but what exactly is he doing wrong in these fights? Its not as though he is really being tested so if he is showing weaknesses it is not a good sign.

[spud_gun]

Stories doing that rounds that Bellew vs Clevery II will be a PPV

[Shaggy]

Haha ****ing hell

[Doc_Piptorious]

Interesting, but what exactly is he doing wrong in these fights? Its not as though he is really being tested so if he is showing weaknesses it is not a good sign.

It is just his basics that I question.

Footwork, head movement, his guard and so on.

I know he is a young fighter, but the basics should be instilled from a young age.

Some of what I would have regarded as workable flaws seem no more improved now than they did when he was in the unpaid ranks.

I would also question his power. The guy can hit, no question about that, but I have a feeling that it will not prove to be in the same ballpark as the truly concussive hitters.

A lot of questions will be answered when he steps up in quality, but looking at who he just beat, and at who his next two oppenent are, we will be waiting a bit to get a better idea about him.

[Pablo]

Can you win Olympic gold if you're basics are that bad? You can't exactly rely on knockout power as an amateur.

[Chris]

Can you win Olympic gold if you're basics are that bad? You can't exactly rely on knockout power as an amateur.

He should have been out in the first round to be fair but got a gift.

[Gibbo]

Surely no one will pay for the Bellew Cleverley rematch?! I was only just interested enough for it to be on normal sky.

Re Joshua: dude has some power but I'm not sure how far he will make it, as has already been said when he gets put in there with someone who can throw some leather at him it'll be interesting to see how he reacts. I was originally more excited about Luke Campbell, bit of home town bias() someone did point out to be the other day though the fact that he is only a year younger than Khan. And even though he has got rapid hand speed I'm not sure he has the power to take himself all the way to the top, gets hit a lot too.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Can you win Olympic gold if you're basics are that bad? You can't exactly rely on knockout power as an amateur.

Yes you can win an Olympic gold if your basics are not to professional level.

The unpaid ranks are much more forgiving to certain things, and I would not use winning a medel at any Olympics as a sign of how a fighter's abilities would transfer to the paid ranks.


And I did not say his basics were bad, I said that I thought they were very average. As in they are quite average for a fighter that is being touted as the next big thing.

Now if you were to bring up someone like Price or Fury, I would regard their basics as being average as well if one was trying to pass them off as fighters with high levels of potential, but their basics are fine for fighters that are of middle of the road quality.

If Joshua was being described as a fighter with ambitions of winning European titles or being in the mix with other mid level fighters at world level, then I would regard his basics as being about right for a fighter with that kind of future, but to my eyes he does not look like he has the basic tools that young fighters who go on to the higher levels have.


That been said, the heavy division is quite poor for the most part, and there are not a lot of quality young fighters coming through, so it may well be that when Joshua does get pushed into deeper waters that the level of quality around him will not be beyond his own abilities.

[red g]

Yes you can win an Olympic gold if your basics are not to professional level.

The unpaid ranks are much more forgiving to certain things, and I would not use winning a medel at any Olympics as a sign of how a fighter's abilities would transfer to the paid ranks.


And I did not say his basics were bad, I said that I thought they were very average. As in they are quite average for a fighter that is being touted as the next big thing.

Now if you were to bring up someone like Price or Fury, I would regard their basics as being average as well if one was trying to pass them off as fighters with high levels of potential, but their basics are fine for fighters that are of middle of the road quality.

If Joshua was being described as a fighter with ambitions of winning European titles or being in the mix with other mid level fighters at world level, then I would regard his basics as being about right for a fighter with that kind of future, but to my eyes he does not look like he has the basic tools that young fighters who go on to the higher levels have.


That been said, the heavy division is quite poor for the most part, and there are not a lot of quality young fighters coming through, so it may well be that when Joshua does get pushed into deeper waters that the level of quality around him will not be beyond his own abilities.

Interesting Jaco, Why are so many other pro fighters/commentators giving him the big one then? I love my boxing but your knowledge is way better and while i remember Price being bigged up it wasnt to the hype of Joshua.

[PTP]

Used to support him earlier on but he's just proved himself a mouthy bum. Gets on my tits.

i hate his 'i'm a scouser and i'd smash you cause i'd bomb yer head off lad' attitude

funnily though - all the bluenoses think he's amazing

me, personally i hope cleverly beats him again - i like him

[Doc_Piptorious]

Interesting Jaco, Why are so many other pro fighters/commentators giving him the big one then? I love my boxing but your knowledge is way better and while i remember Price being bigged up it wasnt to the hype of Joshua.

To be honest I would not pay much heed to what folk in front of a tv camera are saying. Quite often what is said to the camera is a sanitised pov, and is a "safe" opinion.

Think about footy for a minute. How often do you hear a player being hyped up year after year by some pro footballer, a manager or some commentator regardless of whether the player in question has been performing over a period of time or not.

Boxing is no different, and for every prospect that makes it, there will be hundreds of hyped prospects who did not live up to the hype made about them.

I mentioned Michael Grant earlier. He was being touted as the next big thing, the next sure thing by many ex fighters, by many pro coaches, and by many commentators. He has all the tools they said, he has the power, he has all the basics and so on. Then he got matched with Lennox Lewis ( a fighter many pros, coaches, and commentators actually tipped Grant to beat) and we all know what happened after that.


Joshua could well go on to prove me wrong, and I hope he does as I like to see fighters from this side of the pond make it big, but I am really not seeing a lot in him that I have not seen in other "sure fire" prospects over the past couple of decades.