Boxing

[Shaggy]

Sounds like Manny needs surgery on the torn shoulder muscle.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Just seen Mayweather had 2 female reporters banned from covering the fight at the event because of their history with him and domestic abuse reporting.

Mayweather has shown himself to be more of a scumbag the longer he goes on in the sport. His legacy is **** now. Dont think he will be viewed as a all time great because of his actions.

Some of the biggest names in boxing history, names that years after they retired get lauded as boxing greats, were really nasty guys at times outside the ring.


Ali is a prime example of a man who outside the ring could be a right nasty ******* in how he acted and spoke.


Sugar Ray Leonard was a hard drug user and prone to acts of domestic abuse. He came out and admitted to beating his then wife.


Mike Tyson. Rape, drug usage, assaults, drink/drug driving, biting a chunk from Holyfield's ear.


And that is just three boxers whose names and boxing legacies have lived on long after they hung up their gloves. When people discuss those three now it is usually to say how great they were in the ring and their transgressions have not lessened their legacies in the eyes of most.


Mayweather has shown himself to be capable of some real scumbag stuff outside the ring, and he has shown that with him those actions are not once off events, but like the names I mentioned, and many many other boxers and sport people, I expect time to put the focus on his in ring achievements and the unseemly side of the man will be pushed below the water level for the most part.

[Nicey]

A sport that's just had a half billion dollar fight feels like it's been on life support for years? uh-huh.....sure.

Ok and outside of this fight .... thats happened now ... what ? .. ask anybody who is the no1 contender in any class and silence ... whos the heavyweight champion .. maybe you get that Klichov fella ... who can he fight ? nobody, seems to me and a lot of people who love the sport of boxing ... Boxing is on life support ...

[Alex]

Boxing has been on its arse since the De La Hoya era 10 or so years ago.

Its the same complaints though. Too many different titles. Too many different organisations. No clear ranking system.

Boxing can learn a **** load from UFC. 1 guy puts the cards together and there are clear title eliminators. People seem to earn a title shot, as opposed to using their financial muscle to get the highest price.

[spud_gun]

Pure pish from the pair of you.

Just because you're not a fan of the sport doesn't mean it's 'on it's arse'

There are some fantastic fighters out there and there are some fantastic fights in the next few weeks.

From your position of ignorance you're both spouting ****e as though it were fact. Stop it.

[spud_gun]

UFC isn't even a sport FFS!

How did McGregor earn his title shot?

[Chris]

Its not on its arse at all, we just had the biggest fight ever!! A week before that Wlad filled MSG. This weekend Canelo has done over 30k in what is guaranteed to be a brilliant fight, Cotto - Geale will pack out the Barclays centre in June. Heck even Eddie Hearn has managed to put on a great card for this end of this month and the O2 will be sold out. Just a shame he's whacked it on PPV! I cant believe we are doing this again after the event that just happened on Saturday!

There are plenty of issues mind but then theres plenty of issues in the Premier League too and thats not on its arse either!

[Doc_Piptorious]

Boxing as a sport is nowhere near being on it's arse but that is not to say that False and Alex have not raised a few very valid points with what they have said.


But the comment I disagree with the most is the one about how boxing should be run as UFC is, especially as UFC is being given as an example of how title shots should be "earned"

If anything UFC is worse than boxing in terms of title shots not being earned and Conor McGregor is a great example of how little earning needs to be done in order to get a title shot.


Most of the fighters in UFC are a credit to their profession in terms of application, training and the courage it takes to step into any sort of one on one sport. I would be just as complimentary about the coaches, fitness trainers etc involved with UFC as there are some there that would as good as anyone in any sporting field.

But many of the "earned" title shots and rankings are done so in a manner that puts even the most baffling title shots in boxing to shame.


If anything UFC has learned a lot from boxing, both what to do and what not to do, but it has also taken a hell of a lot of example from Sports "Entertainment" in how it uses promotion to elevate a fighter to title challenger status rather than the fighter having to earn his or her way to that position and it is far worse than boxing for fast tracking fighters to those positions.

[Alex]

Pure pish from the pair of you.

Just because you're not a fan of the sport doesn't mean it's 'on it's arse'

There are some fantastic fighters out there and there are some fantastic fights in the next few weeks.

From your position of ignorance you're both spouting ****e as though it were fact. Stop it.

Its not on its arse at all, we just had the biggest fight ever!! A week before that Wlad filled MSG. This weekend Canelo has done over 30k in what is guaranteed to be a brilliant fight, Cotto - Geale will pack out the Barclays centre in June. Heck even Eddie Hearn has managed to put on a great card for this end of this month and the O2 will be sold out. Just a shame he's whacked it on PPV! I cant believe we are doing this again after the event that just happened on Saturday!

There are plenty of issues mind but then theres plenty of issues in the Premier League too and thats not on its arse either!

I used to watch Boxing all the time. Most PPVs and would watch anything that was on. But the last 4-5 years I have lost interest in it almost completely.

The problems the sport has for me seem to outweigh the positives.

The biggest fight the sport has seen has just happened, ill concede that. But it should have happened 5 years ago. Instead it happened now when they could see the money on the table.

Im not saying UFC is perfect. But at least a ranking system of sorts exists so there are fairly good reasons for the fights to happen. Its not always Champion v No1 ranked contender. But its close enough.

http://www.ufc.com/rankings

If Boxing had that sort of system, it'd be a hell of a lot easier to follow and would be easier to invest time into it.

[Alex]

If anything UFC has learned a lot from boxing, both what to do and what not to do, but it has also taken a hell of a lot of example from Sports "Entertainment" in how it uses promotion to elevate a fighter to title challenger status rather than the fighter having to earn his or her way to that position and it is far worse than boxing for fast tracking fighters to those positions.

They need to make money, so hot shotting a fighter into a title match is bound to happen from time to time. Mcgregor being the latest in a long line of them.

But if he loses, he will tumble down the card harder and will take a few fights to get back to the title picture.

[Doc_Piptorious]

I used to watch Boxing all the time. Most PPVs and would watch anything that was on. But the last 4-5 years I have lost interest in it almost completely.

The problems the sport has for me seem to outweigh the positives.

The biggest fight the sport has seen has just happened, ill concede that. But it should have happened 5 years ago. Instead it happened now when they could see the money on the table.

Im not saying UFC is perfect. But at least a ranking system of sorts exists so there are fairly good reasons for the fights to happen. Its not always Champion v No1 ranked contender. But its close enough.

http://www.ufc.com/rankings

If Boxing had that sort of system, it'd be a hell of a lot easier to follow and would be easier to invest time into it.

It is a joke of a ranking system. You do not have to win fights or beat other ranked fighters to be high in the UFC rankings. You can be voted into the rankings of weight divisions outside of your own even if you have never fought at those other weights.

Plus it is a MEDIA run ranking system so in effect popularity of a fighter carries as much weight as the fighter's actual ability or achievements.

It has basically taken boxing's ranking system and somehow made an even less weighted version of it.

[Alex]

My point being that there is 1 ranking system.

Obviously each MMA organisation has their own. But UFC is the elite in most cases.

Im way more of a casual fan than I used to be, but this helps.

[Doc_Piptorious]

They need to make money, so hot shotting a fighter into a title match is bound to happen from time to time. Mcgregor being the latest in a long line of them.

But if he loses, he will tumble down the card harder and will take a few fights to get back to the title picture.

So a fighter's ranking is not earned and in fact it is more like a wrestler in the WWE getting a massive push rather than a fighter earning his way up the rankings in order to get a title shot.


Joke of a ranking system, and one that has taken the worst elements of boxing's ranking system and simply added WWE style aspects.


You are complaining about boxing and it's ranking systems, yet you are full of praise for a ranking system that is the sporting equivalent of who has the most facebook likes.

[Alex]

Hardly full of praise.

But 1 ranking system is going to give me a better idea than the 5 per division for Boxing. 18 divisions in total right? Thats too much for me as a casual fan.

[Doc_Piptorious]

My point being that there is 1 ranking system.

Obviously each MMA organisation has their own. But UFC is the elite in most cases.

Im way more of a casual fan than I used to be, but this helps.

But it is not. It is a ranking system that gets decided by a media voting system, and when a fighter needs a high ranking in order to promote a title shot that fighter simply gets voted up the rankings rather than having to actually beat quality opponents.

Cannot see how you think such a system is superior to the ranking system boxing currently has.


Many boxers get slagged off for being spoonfed easy fights and tip toeing their way to title shots, but here you are lauding a system that allows fighters to even get around having to have a larger number of easy fights to get their title shot.

Basically means that a hell of a lot of title shots in UFC, and these would be PPV title shots, are completely worthless as at least one of those fighting is only there because he or she scores high in media terms.