Boxing

[Doc_Piptorious]

I was fairly impressed with Wilder - He stood up to that barrage from Ortiz in the 7th - A lesser man would've crumpled under some of those bombs he was throwing.

He did well to tough it out when he was under pressure and it was far from being a bad win as Ortiz is good technically and can hit a bit.

You could argue that it showed that Wilder can dig deep when under pressure, or say that it showed how open Wilder is to being hit when the quality of his opponent is brought up to second tier. The truth being somewhere in the middle I suspect.


In a way this fight for Wilder was what the Klitschko was for Joshua, albeit Wilder was not up against a fighter as good as Wladimir Klitschko or that hit as hard. It showed that Wilder's instincts when hurt are pretty good.

But for me the problem for Wilder is that Klitschko hits a lot harder than Ortiz in my books and Joshua survived that, and I am not so sure that Wilder hits any harder than Klitschko. So that would have me favouring Joshua if/when the two meet.

Wilder and Joshua both have the ability to hurt the other no doubt depending on who landed cleanly first, but Wilder has never stepped into the ring facing a man as big and bigger than him that has a 50/50 shot against him, whereas Joshua now has that experience against Klitschko. Psychologically that may play a big part.

A lot of big men, or men that could hit, ate a loss against Lennox Lewis despite looking like a real threat to him before the fight. Quite a few of them like Grant, Golota, Morrison, and Ruddock all made post fight comments about how Lewis just looked bigger when they faced him in the ring than he did outside the ring.

[marcus50bucks]

Got to give Wilder props for coming back from adversity like that. Ortiz, just needed one more big punch before the end of the round and Wilder would have been seeing stars.

Wilders, surname fits his style imo. Big right hand but his boxing skills are average. Only at heavyweight do you get away with those wild swings, due to size and strength. He would have got wrecked by many of the 90's heavyweights swinging like that. He's off balance all of the time. Tyson would have took him out for lunch in 3 rounds. Lewis, Bowe, Briggs, even Tua would have beat him. The mans lucky Ortiz is 45 (his papers are forged lol)

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Got to give Wilder props for coming back from adversity like that. Ortiz, just needed one more big punch before the end of the round and Wilder would have been seeing stars.

Wilders, surname fits his style imo. Big right hand but his boxing skills are average. Only at heavyweight do you get away with those wild swings, due to size and strength. He would have got wrecked by many of the 90's heavyweights swinging like that. He's off balance all of the time. Tyson would have took him out for lunch in 3 rounds. Lewis, Bowe, Briggs, even Tua would have beat him. The mans lucky Ortiz is 45 (his papers are forged lol)

That's a running gag on a couple of the boxing forums.
Some claim him to be 51

In the videos of him as an amateur he looks the age he claims.
Was 26 here

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[Doc_Piptorious]

Got to give Wilder props for coming back from adversity like that. Ortiz, just needed one more big punch before the end of the round and Wilder would have been seeing stars.

Wilders, surname fits his style imo. Big right hand but his boxing skills are average. Only at heavyweight do you get away with those wild swings, due to size and strength. He would have got wrecked by many of the 90's heavyweights swinging like that. He's off balance all of the time. Tyson would have took him out for lunch in 3 rounds. Lewis, Bowe, Briggs, even Tua would have beat him. The mans lucky Ortiz is 45 (his papers are forged lol)

To be fair those three would have beaten the majority of heavyweights from any era let alone Wilder.

Funny thing is that Wilder has bragged how he is so good that he would have destroyed the champs from any era, and peak Tyson is one he namechecked as being someone he would have sparked

[Mr Darko]

Canelo has tested positive for the banned substance Clenbuterol but the fight will still go ahead. This was apparently originally used for horses with asthma problems. He blamed it on "meat contamination". Maybe he should stop eating doped up horses

Hope GGG destroys him for this alone.

[Pablo]

Canelo has tested positive for the banned substance Clenbuterol but the fight will still go ahead. This was apparently originally used for horses with asthma problems. He blamed it on "meat contamination". Maybe he should stop eating doped up horses

Hope GGG destroys him for this alone.

Clenbuterol is normally used to help you lose weight. He must have been struggling to make the weight.

[Lecter]

To be fair those three would have beaten the majority of heavyweights from any era let alone Wilder.

Funny thing is that Wilder has bragged how he is so good that he would have destroyed the champs from any era, and peak Tyson is one he namechecked as being someone he would have sparked

Doubt he would have laid a glove on the early version of Tyson

Wilders technique is ****ing terrible, he almost slaps his opponents rather than landing clean punches. I also think with his open stance and haymaker swinging he telegraphs a lot of his punches. Tyson would have seen those coming a mile stepped inside and destroyed him

He also looks like he gets caught a lot, no way can you afford to do that against any decent heavyweight nevermind someone like Tyson in his pomp

The Joshua / Wilder fight is going to be interesting as I cant see Wilder boxing like that against Joshua as I think Joshua will take him out. Of course he has the punchers chance but Joshua doesnt exactly hit lightly

[Doc_Piptorious]

Doubt he would have laid a glove on the early version of Tyson

Wilders technique is ****ing terrible, he almost slaps his opponents rather than landing clean punches. I also think with his open stance and haymaker swinging he telegraphs a lot of his punches. Tyson would have seen those coming a mile stepped inside and destroyed him

He also looks like he gets caught a lot, no way can you afford to do that against any decent heavyweight nevermind someone like Tyson in his pomp

The Joshua / Wilder fight is going to be interesting as I cant see Wilder boxing like that against Joshua as I think Joshua will take him out. Of course he has the punchers chance but Joshua doesnt exactly hit lightly

Totally agree Tyson would have sparked him, and done it early. Prime Tyson is an all time great and for good reason.


Agree about Wilder's technique as well. He can get away with it against lesser fighters as his power will have the scared, and once they let he swing away they put themselves on the back foot.

But Ortiz showed exactly how many problems a good heavyweight can put Wilder under. I would go as far as to say that a younger Ortiz, and not by a lot say five years younger, would have finished Wilder off.


Wilder can hit, he has lovely hand speed that often gets over looked due to his crude style, and when it suits him he can actually box quite well, but he seems to bypass all his better qualities and goes at it like he is in a Toughman competition.

You are spot on about him being easy to read and him leaving himself open. Unless he gets very very lucky and lands a perfect bomb, then the next fighter he meets that is a level above Ortiz should stop him.

Sad bit is that Wilder has so many very good physical qualities that would be enhanced greatly in terms of effectiveness where he to box in a cleaner more orthodox manner.


He will give Johsua problems a la Whyte did, but if Joshua sets up his own jab nice and early then I could see him bully Wilder after a messy opening round.


A better fight for Wilder would have been Fury imho (If Fury was still the belt holder that is), as I think Wilder's style would have put Fury under too much pressure.

[marcus50bucks]

To be fair those three would have beaten the majority of heavyweights from any era let alone Wilder.

Funny thing is that Wilder has bragged how he is so good that he would have destroyed the champs from any era, and peak Tyson is one he namechecked as being someone he would have sparked

Yes, I remember that comment.

[Pablo]

Anyone think Parker can give Joshua a fight or are we looking at another easy win?

[Doc_Piptorious]

Anyone think Parker can give Joshua a fight or are we looking at another easy win?

Parker is bang average. His best wins are against Hughie Fury (Majority decision win) and Carlos Takam (UD win). His power levels are also pretty average ( by top heavyweight standards that is), and his movement and speed are also pretty middle of the road.


Maybe there is a chance he can pull a Whyte and be awkward for 6 or 7 rounds, but I fancy Joshua to have an early night, especially if Parker comes to make a fight of it early on.

Looking at past Joshua opponents, for me Parker would be at a similar level of quality as Charles Martin or Dominic Breazeale and see the fight being as one sided as those fights were.

[Gray]

Over inside 5.

[Le Chef]

I like Joshua, but he's unseasoned hence Parker will give him a fight. Not as easy as everyone says nut I'd expect a Joshua win over 12.


Bring in Wilder and Fury and I think Joshua might struggle, that said, advance him 5 years and I'd think he'd cope

[Le Chef]

TBF Hearn is milking him

[Doc_Piptorious]

I like Joshua, but he's unseasoned hence Parker will give him a fight. Not as easy as everyone says nut I'd expect a Joshua win over 12.


Bring in Wilder and Fury and I think Joshua might struggle, that said, advance him 5 years and I'd think he'd cope

He may well be to a degree, but if we are to judge Joshua like that then Parker falls short on that score to a larger degree in my eyes.


Parker has fought inferior fighters in his pro career to date, has had a less distinguished amateur career, and certainly has not given any real hint of how he will handle genuine adversity in the ring in the paid ranks.


If Joshua brings his A game, and Parker brings his A game, then I see nothing in Parker's track record that suggests anything other than a stoppage win for Joshua and most likely early on.


As for Fury and Wilder vs Joshua, it would be Wilder that would be the bigger threat imho.

Fury was very clever against Wladimir Klitschko, and whilst it may have looked a horrible fight, his spoiling work worked a treat as did his ability to get into the head of Klitschko before and during that fight. I don't think that Joshua would be as passive/tentative against Fury as Klitschko was, and Fury has shown serious chinks in his game when fighters have tried to put him under pressure, but luckily for Fury the fighters that tried that were a tier or two below his level.

Wilder though is pretty quick, and though he can look like an epileptic windmill in a strobe factory, he is difficult to handle if he is let get on the front foot. But he is another that, despite the number of fights he has had, is actually pretty unproven due to the calibre of what he has taken on.

For me the current heavyweight division is the worst I have seen in my lifetime, and we have champions and contenders alike that have built up records almost bereft of any genuine quality. There is not one current heavyweight that I look at and think he might have been a genuine contender in the 1990s/1980s/1970s etc., let alone a guy who I think would have been a top champ in any of those past eras.